Suno CEO interview

Discussion in 'Ai for Music' started by tzzsmk, Jan 17, 2025 at 4:41 PM.

  1. Radio

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    Well, first you have to go to school so you can pay for the cake later at the checkout.
    Reading is very beneficial, and basic arithmetic should be familiar to you.
    Operating the air fryer requires a little technical understanding and a look at the manual.

    I forego baking and leave it to the baker, who has a thorough 3-year training course. I give him the price he asks for his work, land, taxes, profits, etc. By baking myself, I would save a lot of money. I would forego AI altogether and put the money in a savings pot.

    As you can see, almost all people prefer convenience to hard work. A microwave and other machines make everyday life much easier. However, watching aYouTube video about a heart transplant will certainly not enable you to perform a heart operation in the hospital.
     
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    Mostly yes, but it's radically different with hobbies, art and things you want to do in general. It's 'more convenient' to not even play a game you don't have to. But this much is obvious (unless you're CEO at Suno); what I find interesting is that convenience in all the rest (the things you have to do) could lead to a bland, tedious and possibly pointless life of spleen. (There are of course many different cases: compare the art of seduction to paying for sex.)
     
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    I keep asking the same question about how AI is all that different from sampling, in electronic music. Obviously, you do not "sample" an entire track. It's still audio files that you did not make the content of yourself, to start out with. I watched some of the Marshmello song "production video" yesterday, and I do not see any real difference about it. Well, one difference. Someone like that will be using stuff from AI free and clear, and putting out tons of tracks; while the rest of "dance music producers" will be discussing the morality or creativity of using it, all the while falling further behind.

    Does it really make those kinds of tracks more "disposable" than some samples and plugins? I would also like to know about the hypothetical situation where someone sends you a track to mix/master for money; willing to pay whatever your regular rate is. You think some of the track may have been created using AI. Are you going to pass on doing the work and turn down the money? Why am I guessing the answer to that question is "No"?

    I've watched "production videos" from Groove3 where the entire video revolves around downloading songs from Youtube with Jdownloader, using web based AI to stem separate the song, and using someone else's isolated vocals. There are some very long threads here about AI stem separation tools, and so this discussion makes me wonder what people are using all of these separated audio files for.
     
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  4. Shiori Oishi

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    There are similarities and differences all over the gray area, but you can't deny that the process of creation of Dimitri from Paris is rather different from the process of creation of a Suno user. I would NOT argue that one final product has 'more soul' than the other (especially as AI gets better and better), but of course one process involves a whole life (feelings, references, memories, culture) while the other is, well, machine-made.

    An important difference concerning both process and product is the chance of making mistakes, settling for less than you wished for and, in the process, making something new. Beethoven wasn't as good as his predecessors in harmony or melody, let alone orchestration, but something very special happened there. Also, consider how fawlty humanizer algos still are at very simple tasks like mimicking drummers' standard deviations.
     
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    The tracks output by Suno are not very high quality, at all. But no-one is saying these objections to AI due to lower quality output. That's a reason to not use it yourself, and to stick to your normal workflow. If you can out-produce and out-mix Suno, then you should have nothing to worry about (and as of today v4 is very easy to do that with).

    The quality, creativity. and originality are just about the last things anyone is complaining about. I predict it to become an even more obvious double standard. We will have experienced producers saying things such as "I made this using AI, but I could have made it on my own. I'm just being efficient." Where when someone new to production, will be criticized for using the same AI to do something that they wouldn't be able to. Just like with David Guetta's Eminem controversy track. He uses an AI and is told "it's ok", where any number of us would be getting cease and desist DMCA letters.

    So a guy who has sold 60 million records over the course of his career is ok to use AI, and other people are not because they haven't sold 60 million records? The biggest thing AI is going to generate is a bigger bunch of hypocrites.
     
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    Every technology has advantages and disadvantages. The legislator will pass laws that regulate how it is used. Like everywhere else in the world, people lie and cheat. Let's look at the question of how AI can be used positively in society. I think they want to make money above all, but they also have to abide by the law. Also remember that in Silicon Valley they are trying to gain market dominance with investors' money.
     
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    My peers who have been doing music on here for quite a long time seem to be all on the same page even though our opinions and metaphors only slightly differ.

    I think we're all basically saying much the same things from different angles. We cannot lose touch with our humanity. The reasons we entered into music as a career a long time ago and compose different music is because of something that touched our hearts and not just our minds. All the people I know or have had private conversations with on here know that if a job is worth doing it is worth doing well and that if it was easy, anyone could be amazing at it. This means that nothing worth becoming really good at will be handed to anyone on a silver platter.
    A great musician or a great audio engineer spends more than ten years to become that. Not minutes, months or a single year or two. A.I can only generate from what is put into it or from what already exists by humans. If it replaces humans, it still will not be human. It will be a robot that some moron let replace a human. Intelligence is not limited to scholastic and technological skills.
     
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