This is great. Kind of 2nd sentence in my signature. I mean for making an appealing music, lots of considerations are needed. Btw, Do you make music to the folks (or musicians) or just for your internal satisfaction? Do you exactly know what most entertain people or yourself in your favorite genre?

I personally would enjoy small pieces (eg. riffs, progressions, melodies) but when the target is audiences, decoration is needed. Thinking about creating small solo pieces have always been so pleasurable to me than making a complete track for the others.

 

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A moment of Zen...

 

That question should have been asked to 'DArWin' !!!


I think that here 'Rhodes' has stated a 'perfect' answer...

I would say that if you're a rather lively, impatient,... person, maybe playing a (or several) Musical Instrument(s) will better suit you and your desires, whereas if you're rather a patient, methodic,... person, you'll perhaps prefer to spend a lot of time 'to polish' or 'to scuplt' your audio material, sounds,.. with DAW's.
And this could be (more or less !) the difference between a Musician and a Producer and/or Audio/Sound Engineer...

All in one, the 'real dream' could be to be a 'lively' person first, thus playing (and recording) your music first, then in a second time, to become a more 'patient' and 'methodic' person to spend time and time with your DAWs.
This is more or less what we all try to do, isn't ?

 

This one changed my mind about the instruments.
https://audiosex.pro/threads/industrial-music-ebooks-tutorials.22703/#post-166161
One of the reasons of loving pure DAWy musics for me has been thinking that it always yields more possibilities in everything but after listening to this station (my favorites = dark and sad ones) now I love the instruments and composition alot. I now feel the real power of instruments. The musics streaming from this station are mostly based on the real instruments that is impossible or so hard to produce even by using midi orchestration with recorded samples. Of course this is true for other genres but I was thinking that creating dark musics absolutely needs DAWs and now I am not so sure. I mean composition not used FX.

 

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Isn't that due to vanity though? I still think everybody should stick to doing that what they do best, whether it is a vocalist, musician, writer, lyricist, topline writer, programmer, arranger, producer, mixer, mastering engineer, live mixer, stage design, lighting, choreography, management, publicist, etc., There may be some overlap, but don't push it if it doesn't come naturally. A lot of musicians should actually be banned from the production side of things and vice-versa

Throughout history a collaborative team effort has nearly always produced the best results

 

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it was just the way I think about the thing
vanity of the artist? maybe, it depends on the artist

George Harrison helped developing the first EMI console
The Pink Floyd helped bringing it to the MKIV version
The Pink Floyd helped the development of the MCI, EMI and Sony mixers
The Who, SSL mixers
Alan Parson MCI

that was research

 

the team would be the best thing
the money too lol
who is alone and green... gotta be multitask, till a certain point

 

https://audiosex.pro/threads/do-you...player-in-a-band-or-daw-solo-pro.23010/page-2

It's a conundrum

 

There are exceptions to everything My main point was to stay within one's capably and stick to the things that you are the best at, which when specialization is taken into account, is actually quite narrow in most cases.

PS George Harrison was a victim of being the third best songwriter in The Beatles (although some may disagree )

 

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Professional musician.

 

If you want to create anything other than programmed styles of electronic music then some actual musicianship (especially rhythmically) is necessary.

That said I can't play for shit due to my health condition so it's still the DAW for me.

 

One thing that never gets mentioned. Just from my 25 years playing guitar. How do you think we get the sounds we hear in our heads. You basically need to be a engineer/tech. You must know what different pickups, tubes, speakers, guitars do. So many aspects. And then there's the sound you want to be recognized for. ( you really can't be all over the place starting out) All I'm saying is it really takes a lot to be proficient at your craft. It's only when you get big you can just tell someone I want this or that. I find it takes experimentation and a desire for perfection to make things great. It literally has taken me years make my gear to sound the way I want it. I'm Guessing with keyboards that might be a little easier?all I'm saying is these guitar virtuoso's are not only musicians. They are electricians engineers and historians of there craft. I'm not sure how much this has to do with the question presented. I just have a lot of respect and am in wonderment sometimes what people accomplish It's inspiring. To be successful I don't think you can wing it. It's takes willpower struggle and knowledge. It's my belief that you must figure all this out to get anywhere.

Then there's the axe fx/kemper A new development that does change the game somewhat. It's the future.

On my iPhone and drank a few beers. Hope I made sense ha

 

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And the Kemper Profiler

 

One can LEARN music by listening to it, but MUCH MUCH MORE by playing it.

 

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away, there was something called Tascam Portastudio. a 4 track recorder that used cassette tapes as media, it had no plug ins, no effect nothing but 4 faders and very basic eq. to get even half good sounding demos , it was tape and you had to get it right on tape cause one it was there there was not much more you could do . its why i think playing , and knowing your craft is so important , yes modern DAWS are much easier to get a decent recording and its really nice to roll outa bed with an idea, fire up the workstation and get it down its all more convenient, but its no substitute for knowing how to play and musical theory. studio or live, I really enjoy producing but still there is nothing like playing live for me. be it in front of 10 or 10,000 and when people get off on it , thats what its all about for me. fame is a fickle thing. i never understood why people crave something that is so easily taken away.
I record stuff and work on it... get an idea go work on something else, its when i come back to a project that i know its good, when i hear it and think to myself wow i can't believe i did that. throw it on my MP3 player set it to random. its when one of my tracks is bookended with 2 other bands tracks and it fits .. those are the songs i wanna play live it all leads to that moment on stage jamming with my partners in crime and if other people dig it all the better. Live will always outshine studio or at home on my daw but i do enjoy them all very much.

 

If someone has experiences with the instruments and know musical concepts, then uses DAWs as a compliment, there is no problem. OK I admit that some genres do not need working with real instruments but their musicality are so limited like 4/4 dance musics because they do not need much composing.

Problem is when some people start from DAWs and never try to raise their musical knowledge and instead of equipping themselves with real knowledge, think that by turning some knobs inside DAWs every thing would be OK. I know some producers doing this and shout loudly that they don't need to know classical knowledge that hundreds of thousand geniuses have spend their entire life to theorize them.

For composing, real instrument usually have better results. Jumping directly to DAWs makes people lazy. Lazy in composing but active in working with sounds. Composing is more harder than working randomly or knowingly with sounds.

Do you like much composers or producers (engineers)? I know both of them have their place but I personally love composers much.

Sorry for me be so straightforward.

 

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DAW users can be grouped into a few separate categories, each of which has divergent skill-sets.

1.) Production professionals for recording, mixing & mastering records for release.

2.) Musicians who uses it as a scratchpad for capturing and developing musical ideas.

3.) Electronic producers who use the DAW as an instrument.

4.) Etc., etc..