What is the most important criterion of the wisdom?
Wise people perish more rarely. They survive more often. And they are more able to defend and teach their children.
The intelligence itself might appear by accident. But it is fixed by inheritance (including heredity).

 

Every scientific breakthrough was through trial & error. It is God who shows the very lucky determined few the answer they're looking for.

 

Music for a music forum...

 

Who calls me... what did I do this time?!

 

Best version of you? Yes there is, most def
Good decent version? Hmmm... how do I explain this to you....

I'm still recovering from that meme and it shows

 

There is actual scientific and mathematical proof that a supernatural being wrote the bible, but no one seems to care, i tested the infomation myself and it is indeed true, Every verse in the original Hebrew and Greek texts are numerically divisible by the number 7
They way it works is every letter has a numerical value, so A=1 B=2 etc. So every sentence can be added up to a total value, and that value can be divided by 7. This is a fact, and can not be seen in any other text.

An impossible anomaly to be made by random chance and impossible to deliberately implant it, even a modern computer can not do it without the text having no grammatical intelligibility, let alone profound and timeless stories and poems that have endured for millennia.

more here:
https://www.jacobsladdercf.org.uk/t...-of-septenary-design-in-the-hebrew-scriptures

 

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you would have to strip structural factors from your already narrow set of criterion to get a more accurate picture of the almost impossible task of qualifying wisdom. all the criterion you mention can be achieved through different avenues than what is thought of as the illusive concept of wisdom.

the first statement is incorrect -- that is only a small subset of scientific methodology. you usually have to an observable phenomenon, from that you can gather data, from there you can build or tailor a methodology to try and arrive at a set of probable elementary causal events or forces. just stabbing around in the dark, "maybe this will work! nope, doh *slaps forehead*, well back to the drawing board", is not optimal science -- also, hard to get funding for. scientific progress is more of a compounding of nested observations and resolutions than 'breakthroughs' (i.e. not like the movies). that is a better method of achieving a more accurate, workable picture of the physical world.

in order for the other claim to be even considered, you would have to develop a falsifiable methodology to prove the existence of a god or gods or whatever you are looking for or at. to my knowledge none exist, but if you are lucky and determined things might just work out for you. i suggest you start with an observable, repeatable causal link that can be demonstrated to a disinterested observer -- very difficult given the subject matter. from there you can start your process. good luck.

 

The days of alchemy are long gone, my friend.
We don't use chance or blind poking around on the bassis of trial and error in sciences today but the scientific method.
The scientific method is a planned and systematic process that leads to knowledge gain.
It's based on observation and experiments plus criticism may it prove the findings or disapprove them (falsification).
All this is done systematically and does not include Chance as an essential source of knowledge gain. Random findings are the absolute exception in science today.

Does that prove God is dead today? No. Just as little as an accidental discovery proves that there is a God.

 

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Guyz. I am actually Muslim but also without a religion, if u think about science what says, nothing comes from nothing (causality).
So if there is an existence-ness, then there must be a reason for it.If the space time is there then there must be a reason for it. Because they must have evolve from something. If u keep on thinking u come to a deathend (-loop ?). Conclusion: There is only one and only Singularity, and that is the Alpha and the Omega, God (Arabic 'Ilah') and "The God" => El-Ilah => Allah. The One and Only.
If u follow the newest discoveries in quantum physics u know that our universe is just a designed simulation like in the film Matrix.

By the way: The existence of God has nothing to do with belief.

U don't believe in truths.
Either u know them or not. ;)

 

i see no scientific proofs. mathematics is abstract and arbitrary -- mathematical proofs are only internally logical, unless related to physical quantities.

"So every sentence can be added up to a total value" that is incorrect, and there is no such claim made.

some of the arbitrary criteria are:

--"There is one verb..."

--"First, middle and last letters..."

--"First and last letters of all seven words have a numerical value..."

--"First and last letters of first and last words have a numerical value..."

--"Value of remaining first and last letters is..."

--"Value of last letters of first and last words is..."

-- etc.

all the examples in the article are cherry picked to somehow relate to the supposedly 'significant' number -- that is not a consistent mathematical structure. you would have to demonstrate, in a higher mathematical order, the structure of how the apparent 'cherry picking' of the relevant data also relates to the singular numeral -- that for some, seemingly arbitrary, reason is presented as a meaningful or significant.


"An impossible anomaly to be made by random chance and impossible to deliberately implant it, even a modern computer can not do it without the text having no grammatical intelligibility,..."

there is no concrete factual basis to make this claim.


a quote from the article:

"The significance of septenary design is tremendous. It is solemnising. It hallmarks the Old and New Testaments as being the direct pronouncements of the Creator of this limitless universe. That the Holy Scriptures have been given to mankind by the creator."

this claim is just preposterous given the glaring holes in the reasoning -- and it is presented as fact.


then the obligatory threat:

"When The Lord Jesus Christ does come – will it be as your Saviour? Or as your Judge?"

an attempt at manipulation through fear?


i can see why, "no one seems to care".


i agree there are some relatable stories, but no more or less than any other codex of the time. i think people should read these works, but it does take some preparatory research in order to find reliable translations. forgery was rife and poetic license was often favored over historical accuracy.

these historical codexes are interesting and insightful enough on there own without having to do all this stuff with them. there may be something in nature that always wants to make the ridiculous from the sublime.

 

There we have already the first wrong assumption.
In the big bang there was neither space nor time. Therefore there was also no causality, because something must have happened temporally before something else to justify a causality. But time (and space) did not exist in the big bang, just a point of infinite mass and energy.

 

I absolutely agree with you on that.

 

jeepers... it just sort of snowballs from there :0

 

'Truths' invariably means an absence of quantifiable evidence; it's a fantasy word used to attempt to describe the indescribable, the intangible, the invisible... That 'thing' which does not exist. It's a word favoured by preachers of various faiths because it suggests unwritten rules that must be followed lest their god is angered. Ask them to elaborate and they will take you down rabbit holes of circular logic with dogmatic quotes that never seem to tie together with anything in the real world. There can be no debate, no consideration of the facts or testing of theories because there's nothing to analyse beyond the mind of the person telling you these things. I usually feel sorry for these people.

If real science is too hard then maybe start with Socrates (though what did he know?).

 

I feel like we as humans have a knowledge level that has made us question reality and since it may appear that our origin is in question we reach further than we should logically to explain existence.
To speculate I think that we are in a universe brimming with life, but that the universe is of such a size that we haven't understood how to see the creatures on the next lily pad.
I want to believe that everything in the universe is connected on the highest level and that we have individual consciousnesses in order to experience "the other". This is based off of the way my heart feels and the experiences I have had.
It is interesting to think that "god" or "God" may be a construct of our imaginations that turns out to be our ultimate goal of creation, and that we ourselves end up creating this.
I think another aspect of the god question to consider is existence itself, not it's creator. "Why or how do we exist". "Why is there existence itself?" "Why not nothingness?". I've pondered this even more than "Is there a god and who or what is it".
Someone once said "Existence exists because that is the quality it exhibits". If I sit with that long enough I am at peace.

 

The money replaced God. The new religion is money.

 

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Cool, if so.
But the only thing that it proves is that they are divisable by 7.

 

Just the fact that we do discuss so much about Him/She/It is evidence alone that It exists ;). Because we all want to know from where we come, what we are, and where we will be going when we die. The people who are looking for Her will find Him.
Guyz, It's more likely that God exists than everything is created by accident. That means, that u believe in wonders more than me :DDD

 

My religion says: Don't take anything for granted what they say about God. Just go learn urself and use ur brain. But to use ur brain u have to fill it first. From nothing, comes nothing (causality ;)) Question everything. Learn science so no one has any doubts about the truth. There is a good site on FB, I can recommend. Very interesting information: Quantum Physics News. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1797462407192575