in the plans for this.

 

I don't think Dante is the future, but I really like Inferno and The Divine Comedy!
But lately I prefer to read Derek Landy to fall asleep.

 

the question i haven't seen asked here is what exactly and where is you new PC gonna be used ie style and bedroom/pro studio somewhere in the middle? and how many musicians are gonna be in the room? you don't need 48 channels of input if it's just you. unless money is no object you can do a lot with not breaking the bank. personally ( like my last build) i concentrate a lot on the future so my machines are built with. that in mind so mainboard needs to be able to deal with. coming technology and when you. max out upgrading is as easy as just a new cpu and faster ram. my new rig ( which ill admit i went a bit overboard with. this time for me) will run DAWbench fully loaded at 96 clicks on my poncy usb interface at around 70% load in Cubase pro 10 that 40 tracks running 9 plugins a track. more headroom then ill ever need at the moment and cost me around 700 euro to do it ( for the pc) so while. yes in DAw land money can buy you the happiness you need to look at what you need to do the job, not who you want to impress. thee are a lot of great suggestions here of a lot of great gear and configs but you have to ask yourself do i really need a ferrari F1 racer if im just going to the market every day? ;)

my 2 cents gear wise (ryzen 7 cpu /MB one with good quality massive VRM's/FAST RAM!!!/m.2 drive main drive/amd video card nothing special dosent have to be balistic. oh and avoid MOTU stuff ... they never figured out how to do proper windows drivers audio interfaces yes RME are the best but also expensive. i use a lil Steinberg UR424 ( see built in intigration with. cubase) but even under 200 euro i get mad performance. also most importantly Optimize!!! there are pleaty of guilds online on how to tune you PC for audio. is my system the best . probably not but it performs well above what. i need it too and thats what you should shoot for i think.

Evol and out

 

Out of curiosity, what sort of DANTE network are you rocking? E.g. what sort of network speeds (GbE I'd guess) and any normal ethernet gear in the network? Was it easy to hook up and start using or is there a lot of network configuration to be done? Not that I mind that it being my trade an all, but the simpler the better.

I've been meaning to look into this but it's eluded me so far.

 

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This is bullshit. I have motu (828es, 24Ai, 24Ao, AVB switches) running on a windows system. The drivers are absolutely stable and the latency varies between 0.7ms and 3.6ms (depending on sample rate and buffer).

 

DANTE is a proprietary technology, and with generic ethernet interface provides mediocre latency, also it's not really a "plug and play" experience
there is no chance for it to become industry standard, sorry

 

Yep my thought exactly. My PCIe 424 has been sitting in one of my machines for almost 14 years now, that thing is only surpassed in latency by the equivalent (more expensive) RME. And actually when Win7 was introduced, MOTU was the first to have a stable driver. It took RME almost a year to do so.

Minimum latency of Dante (in white paper) is 0.15 ms. Please explain how is that mediocre and what is better.
Also, how "there is no chance for it to become industry standard" when it is already used by major live console manufacturers and audio interfaces, also used in critically latency sensitive applications such as broadcast as well ? Unless you intend to tell us that DiGiCo and Yamaha got it all wrong with incorporating Dante in their machines

 

4ms is minimum Dante latency for generic interface, see DVS site:
https://dev.audinate.com/GA/dvs/userguide/webhelp/content/dante_latency.htm

"live" and "broadcast" market is torn and continuously being torn,
as a matter of fact that entire market is so small (compared to IT) most manufacturers just want use generic IT parts and earn money on software/firmware upgrades,
and yes, DiGiCo and Yamaha are now pretending they are leading right way, while they are already stuck with video interoperability (NDI strikes hard here, especially when it's free on software-side) and DiGiCo particularly hasn't yet been able to provide DAW control functionality despite boasting about their broadcast and production console lineups,
also do note proper network functionality requires accurate clocking (PTPv2) which is hardware-limited and is not compatible with older Dante devices,
also Dante by design is flawed - once you reach certain amount of devices, it will just fail to operate and whole network needs to be reconfigured from unicast to multicast (very convenient for live broadcast to shut down whole venue to reconfigure streaming lol) - see this official ref. video:

audio networking is a big deal, because of multicast and sync'ing requirements it's beyond regular IT administrator, basically requires Google/Amazon datacenter admin knowledge to flawlessly take care of AoIP setups which are more than just point-A-to-point-B (for which MADI or ADAT is better in every way again)

 

Errr no. This describes the virtual Dante soundcard not actual hardware implementation. Dante virtual soundcard exhibits higher latency than hardware Dante devices. Example: Focusrite Rednet RTL is ~1.5 ms with a 32 sample buffer.

 

I have this PC build: https://www.novatech.co.uk/pc/range/novatechelitecharger.html
And I use a Behringer U-Phoria UMC404HD for my interface. Barely any recording latency. And that's with quite a few plug ins running

 

indeed, and that precisely is the problem,
cost of dedicated special PCIex Dante interface is getting close to dedicated PCIex MADI interface so whole point of Dante being affordable is gone,
and the performance of generic ethernet interface paired with paid DVS is nowhere close

 

If you don't use it, I suggest that you become at least more informed by those who actually use it instead of repeating what you read somewhere from someone who may not even be a user or taking out of context what you read. You never see me giving an opinion on a MAc or Hackintosh thread because am not a Mac user. As DANTE user who currently is running 100% on DANTE I maintain what I said. Indeed, I would go as far as saying that if you ever incorporate DANTE into your workflow you would never think of USB or Thunderbolt again. Watch this:

 

Based on what facts? What is the future then, AVB? Thunderbolt? I see we are getting a lot of 'opinions" with no facts in support. Any bona fide user or person with a deep knowledge of DANTE and what it offers will tell you that at a minimun the future for DANTE is brighter. Indeed, major manufacturers are guaranteeing it. Take this quote from Senheiser expert Kai Toosing when asked if customers can be sure that they are buying "future proof" Dante™ products?

https://es-mx.sennheiser.com/news-s...rview-on-dante-by-sennheiser-with-kai-tossing
In the AV world, we are just a speck. You have venues like stadiums, theaters, convention palaces, casinos, etc all relying on DANTE. A fact, DANTE is not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

I am more of a spectator on this, i still rely on pci-e and TB in the studio, but as an engineer i did get to use Dante for live sound, in particular with a Soundcraft Vi 3000 and Yamaha CL5. One thing is sure in my book, if it works for a medium/big venue or festival where anything can go wrong at any moment, it will surely work in the controlled environment of a studio. So far for me, the few times i got to work with Dante has been a blast, the protocol is very easy to work with, routing & setting up matrixes etc is a breeze through Dante. Doing away with all major cabling/huge snakes etc. is just awesome. Let the cabling be done on the stage boxes and gimme my Ethernet cable(s) plz.
I did mention AVB because i like the fact that it's open source and it separates the audio data from the rest of the network data, which i find a bit more efficient. Still AVB has some way to go, its white paper minimum latency is 0.25 ms. I am not really well versed in networking, the way a Cisco certified comp engineer is, but in my earlier post in this thread i did indicate what i consider interesting future points of the AVB implementation, i hope you checked that out.
For the moment Dante is the most widely used Ethernet protocol, i dunno why tzzmsk insists on denying the fact that the whole live world (and a good portion of the studio world) works with some form of Ethernet audio atm.
Fun fact: You know that something works when Behringer goes out and offers a similar solution at a fraction of the normal price, and Behringer do have a complete Ethernet solution hehe.
Have a great holiday all of you, best regards

 

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Based on the fact that Dante died in 1321.
Goddamn, it was a joke!
Dante, AVB, whatever... use whatever makes the most sense in your peripherals.

 

Latency is a bit higher than Dante's but the biggest shortcoming of AVB is that is does not offer the user the plug and play patching convenience we have with Dante. This may change with AVDECC implementation and AVNU MILAN. https://avnu.org/Milan/. With that said, don't expect Dante to lose its position in the next 10-15 years. Anyhow, I'm drifting off-topic here so I will move the Dante topic to a new thread.

 

I did build and run some studio fully on Focusrite REDNet (basically Dante with added remote preamp control functionality), and honestly I don't see any advantages of using Dante over anything else (MADI, ADAT, any other IP based protocol..) in that specific situation - maybe I'm too skeptical, but my opinion will probably change overtime

 

Just use M.2 NVMe SSDs and everything is fine, they are so fast that you can use only one
drive and install everything there without loss of performance for audio applications.

This card has a small noisy FAN, not good...
Get a fanless card
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Km...30-2gb-2gh-lp-oc-video-card-gt-1030-2gh-lp-oc
and do this
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/ans...ent-mode-from-adaptive-to-maximum-performance

Excellent motherboard, but no Thunderbolt header.
Get a X570 ASRock Taichi, it got a Thunderbolt header.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pbvqqs/asrock-x570-taichi-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-taichi
The Thunderbolt card
https://www.amazon.com/Asrock-Thunderbolt-AIC-Express-DisplayPort/dp/B072JD1WWK

Better NVMe and preferable some reliable model
https://audiosex.pro/threads/optimal-disk-setup-for-audio-workstation.39983/page-2#post-345824

Some fanless card like the one previous mentioned.

A case with USB-C port
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/case/#D=4&sort=price&page=1
A very good one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gg...b-c-black-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-def-r6c-bk

The older RMx (2018) is better
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/79...-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020179-na

 

lucky you, ive had 3 different MOTU interfaces 2 Ultralite MKIII which would just freak out randomly and blast white noise and fill the VU meters on full be for finally stopping and causing me to have to reset my system and an 828 that just shut off when it wanted to. sent back to Motu to be told nothing was wrong with my unit. So Again I say lucky you. it's not been my experience with MOTU product.