This new business model for musicians

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  1. Zenarcist

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    You are expected to pay for computers, electricity, studio space, instruments, hardware, operating systems, DAW's, sample packs, VST's, software instruments, preset patches, tutorial videos, etc. Even the major labels want you to buy the music they produce and market under the threat of legal action.

    Yet, everybody else is expected to give away their music for free, for promotional purposes :dunno:

    Have I missed something here? :cool:
     
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  3. Rakbeatzz

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    Dig it...It's ridiculous!
     
  4. Funk U

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    Not to mention if you don't have the above tools in the first place, you have to get a job unrelated to music to pay for them. Just to turn around and give your music away for free, for promotional purposes. Which, until your music makes money on it's own you still have to keep the other job to supplement your income. Which further hinders your ability to promote/and or create your music.
     
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    i could care less what people think of me getting vsts for free when people pay 500 dollars for a program im sure the companys will do fine end of the day.
     
  6. ClaudeBalls

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    The goals of making a living and having a life making music are two totally separate things.

    Perhaps in the past, the industry and the infrastructure was in place and it was possible to "succeed" at having a career in music. That is clearly no longer the case. Complaining about it will not change that.

    Also to deny the fact that the music consuming public is now completely comfortable with taking music, books, films, software without feeling the need to pay for them was the driving force in the downfall of the music culture is the PEAK of hypocrisy.

    Can you with a straight face say that the fact that there is no longer a music industry has nothing to do with the fact that people have just taken what they wanted for the last 15+ years?

    Renting music on streaming apps is probably morally worse than piracy because you are giving your money or your eyeballs/clicks to giant technology companies that essentially cheated/cheating/stole the music from the artists that made it. (Check out all those massive streaming payments to musicians!)

    There is no more music industry, all that is left is the ADVERTISING industry (Google/youtube/streaming).

    (The music is the cheese in the trap, and you are the mouse.... They got you when you paid your internet/phone bill..)

    Soon you will not even be able to buy music from the iTunes store (in less than 18 months). You will only be able to RENT it (or steal it).

    Advice to people that want to make a living, get real about the current nature of the industry and figure out a completely new angle to make money from it. Probably avoid the computer as much as possible and focus on live events, festival tours, build a new circuit of national touring, combine with other artist like filmmakers, painters, and writers and form a union devoted to creating and protecting creator's rights. The financial/power imbalance is so tilted in the favor of the large companies the artists will always lose if you play their game. Most of the public would rather support actual artists than Apple/Google/Amazon/Facebook if given a choice. Under the current system there is no choice.

    (FREE ADVICE: If you want to survive in the next 15 years, forget about music and study robotics and computer networking. Half of all jobs people are doing now will be done by robots in the next 5-10 years). All those unemployable people aren't going to have much money leftover for your new albums.)

    Have a great day.


    (ALSO - keep an eye on the "only rent the software" scam. First it starts out as optional, like Steven Slate or Digidesign. Then once they have enough people hooked they take away the option to buy and you have to pay rent each and every month forever for the software you use. The general public is very DUMB for accepting this trend. Started with music streaming now it is spreading to all of our digital lives. Even youtube started charging now, wonder how much longer it will be optional?)
     
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  7. Zenarcist

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    I'm not complaining, just questioning the fact that everybody else in the chain expects to make money out of it :wink:

    All these people doing robotics, AI, surveillance systems, monitoring databases, etc,. are actually screwing the lives of their future offspring, and those of their extended families. Talk about turkey's voting for Christmas! There was a time when people in the computer industry saw technology as a force for good that could benefit mankind, but unfortunately it has been hijacked and put to nefarious use, such as implementing ideologies that appear to be similar to that what Huxley and Orwell discussed in their books.
     
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  8. Army of Ninjas

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    1984 isn't really about the abuse of technology. It's about the danger of self-censorship (thought crime). Whereas A Brave New World is more about external censorship (drugs).
     
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    yes :
    - you don't need a computer to make music
    - a lot of musicians are self taught, and have been way before computers exist
    - all you need is one instrument + you
    - maybe, if you want to make more noise, you can try to find other people with instruments and you can play together.
    in "the good old times", it was called "a band"
    - even you want to make a living with your music, so why a record label wouldn't ?
    - all you have to say when you're asked to give away your life for free is "no" ( and also "go f*** yourself", but it's optional, depending on your mood & education )

    but I get it :winker:
    however, it's never been easy to make money with music.
    the only way to do it, is to go live.
    if you don't, you will remain someone virtual to the eyes and ears of others.

    I wish you good luck :yes:
     
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  10. Herr Durr

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    Don't worry... the singularity will arise and make them and all their progeny pay for their conceits..

    consumed by your own evil creations... ? devil take you then
    unfortunately everyone else goes too..

    as for dystopian futures i still prefer THX-1138, it seems to better match what's coming


    that's why I admire guys like this so much...

    https://audiosex.pro/threads/lets-party-in-rome.27394/
     
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  11. Zenarcist

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    Technology is now being used as the delivery system for what they predicted :wink: Obviously computers never existed in any meaningful way when they wrote those books, so they couldn't write about them, although there were some hints.
     
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  12. Zenarcist

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    The useful idiots are always the first ones to be eliminated :)
     
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    We could have had a choice at a certain point. It could have been a step forward and an opportunity to improve the lives of everyone on earth. Unfortunately the dark side of human nature won and we are going to go through a lot of suffering in terms of those controlling the technology inflicting a lot of dehumanizing pain on the 99.9% of the rest of us.
     
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    If musicians want to gain the upper hand, maybe it will require the total rejection of allowing 3rd parties to use recorded music for commercial purposes :winker:
     
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    Spot on, the internet was a better place when these kinds of people never even knew it existed. When the commercialisation began it was the beginning of the end, and then the power mad entered the fray, and the rest, as they say, is history.
     
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  16. Herr Durr

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    Meanwhile.. I am heartened by the story that Teslas are being stolen from Genius Elon's customers..
    by people hacking in and getting the password for the car.. then whistling as they motor away ...

    "baby I can drive your car ...." :grooves: ♫ ♪ ♫


    http://bgr.com/2016/08/22/tesla-model-s-stolen/
     
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  17. Zenarcist

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    How about Player Piano by Kurt Vonnegut?
     
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    Elon Musk is doing more than anyone in the world to slow down the singularity BTW. He has raised billions of dollars to study and develop a regulation agency like we have for food, airplanes, cars, medicine....

    He is one of the few chances we have left, despite what most think of his personality.

    "Google it"
     
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  19. Herr Durr

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    when he can run a profitable , successful company without taxpayer money.. I'l start Goo-ogling his a$$


    voici, I won't even insult your intelligence.. i'll just leave this here.


    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html
     
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  20. ClaudeBalls

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    Herr,
    Totally different issue. I am drawing your attention to the fact that he is one of the few people in silicon valley acting in the interest of the human race. Once an artificial intelligence goes online with recursive self improvement it is game over for people.

    In all honesty it is probably too late.

    I like that Elon is trying to offer an option to oil/coal and nuclear. We are going to choke on our own sewage in our lifetime if we don't develop new ways of generating energy.
     
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  21. Herr Durr

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    So I have heard there is a clean way to burn coal as well.. but no one wants to develop that..
    we have a lot of it... why doesn't he put his brain to that.. he makes money by selling carbon offsets to others
    so there is no net improvement really.. except to his bank account..
    it's all a shell game..and he's like Monty Hall.. hosting let's make a deal..
    at the expense of taxpayers..and for his own self aggrandizement and self enrichment..

    sooo everyone wanna see the surprise behind curtain #2? just fork over another BILLION
    and it's a go !! :hillbilly:

    fork over your own billions pal !

    if you want to listen to a pied piper it's your choice... I'm not interested in his tune...

    http://reason.com/archives/2016/04/28/elon-musk-crony-capitalist

    If Master Elon gives a rats a** about humanity he would be sounding the alarm on this
    issue.. instead of trying to evacuate himself to Mars... which he is not even serious about
    ...at least not on his own dime
     
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