People who already have a good or near perfect relative pitch, good degree recognition within chords, a decent "contrapuntal ear" and aural awareness to identify most chord progressions can go straight into inputing notes and reading theoretical stuff, their mind's ear doesn't need sound.

The thing here is that ability comes after a lot of practicing, mainly ear training skills, aural awareness, dissection of musical examples including voice leading, chord voicing etc etc...

I can only imagine a really slow and unnatural process if you have to draw something everytime you need to test those little things that make up the musical building blocks.


Drawing chord voicings to hear the difference between inversions...

Manually isolating or increasing the loudness of one note to hear how it blends into another chord...

Playing around with phrasing, accents and changing which note gets the strong beat for instance....

...all this and much more in a piano roll?


If you're serious about music, you won't even consider this as an option for someone who wants to learn and evolve.... heck, even guys who compose orchestral stuff on piano roll end up having a keyboard in front of them, even though they rarely record anything from it.

 

Luckily a keyboard and a mouse happily coexist together, so you don't have to choose one or the other But I think the OP wants to zoom in laser-like to focus on what is actually happening in various musical pieces, and I have provided an elegant solution for that, i.e. study the chord and non-chord note relationships that occur in the melody as the chord progression develops. It is analysis at the DNA level (no piano roll required)

 

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All of us have this feelings:
Choosing just one way, choosing just one God, choosing just one style, choosing just one love, choosing just one DAW, ....

And it's just a mental limit inside us. All of us hate being limited but unfortunately make limitations for ourselves. Thinking to 2 different things at the same time is hard and we usually want to get rid of it.

We are living in the multi tasking world but we as human want to be a dedicated machine.

I think instead of categorizing the events as good or bad lets enjoy them.

I personally love God one day and the other day the Evil and one day hate both of them. These feelings of loving or hating and humbling things are just the waste of time. I think it's better to accept all of them (if exist) and live with them instead of struggling with them.

 

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Yeah, but like I said... it's only useful if you're already an experienced musician, not a guy who started reading some pdf's last week.

His post from last Tuesday: https://audiosex.pro/threads/chord-progressions-101-multiple-questions.23135/


No wonder he doesn't get half of what we say and still thinks he has seen the light.

 

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It's the reason I specifically mentioned learning to think in relative terms, transpose the keyboard etc. It's less things to worry about

Chords = I ii iii IV V vi
Melody = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

A three year old can do it.

 

Lots of hate coming from you kouros.. Like I said before I produced music for a few years "just by my ear" before I dove into music theory and I have pretty much learned all of that post I did last week already. I'm on rhythm now. Yes producing and remixing before learning theory was a little ass backwards but I think it helped me understand this stuff very quickly once I committed myself to doing so. I hope I can still ask questions here.

 

Still, you're missing the point.

That is not music, it is only a representation.

Counting up to 7 and reading pdfs doesn't make you a musician.

 

It's not hate.

So, you got into music theory, already nailed the musical matters that you were asking about last week and you've got it all figured out now, right?

That's a load of bullshit and that's what I've been trying to show you. Unless you have pretty low standards regarding what constitutes "musicianship".

"I read some books" is worth nothing. I think you need contact with real musicians, you'll be humble in no time... don't be shy, take your piano roll out and jam with them.

 

Yeah, but it helps to analyze song chord progressions and melodies which is what the OP is asking, and it is also beneficial for composing

 

Well, after the title of the topic comes the actual topic. There you can read:

"I'm just trying to get more of a feel of the melody/chords interaction and how differently people can do progressions and bringing in melodies etc."


If you feel that more crap to read and look at is what the "I started on theory last week" OP needs, by all means... proceed.

 

Your description could be better. Are there any keywords, videos to this topic?

Like this:

 

Kouros put your money where your mouth is and lets throw down. Original production, genre chosen by this forum. Given your current state with the ladies I'm sure you'll have some free time.

 

I didn't give the info specifically for the OP, it is also available to the general readers of this thread. It's the process that helped me to get on top of music theory and composition, and I am happy to share it

 

If anyone still had doubts about you, I think that just cleared it all up.

 

Sure it is, but you've been talking about what the OP wants "zoom laser focus.." so things get kinda blurry, specially when I am saying that all that is fine but not for noobs. They'll end up with the false feeling of "Ok, I know this" and do zero with that "knowledge".

 

It's observational. For example you know the I chord consists of notes 1,3,5 and the V chord consists of notes 2,5,7 so it can be observed that the composer used the 2 note in the melody to transition from the I chord to the V chord, and then referenced the 3 note from the I chord while playing the V chord. I shouldn't need to spell it out as it is plain to see. Just observe the non-chord notes and see how the composer progresses the melody.

Then head over to Hooktheory and fill your boots. After working through a few song examples you should gain a good understanding of the process. The trick is to find a balance (or connection) between the chord and non-chord notes when composing the melody.

Of course you can also work backwards if harmonizing a melody, e.g. if the melody contains the notes 1,2,3 then the I chord would be a good choice.

 

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Well, the material is there if he (or anybody else) wants to run with it

 

"To slowly paint with it", maybe.

 

That's cool Kouros.. When I play in front of 10,000 people you'll be the first to get a photo of it.. While you're sitting in a dark room playing the piano for your girlfriend miss piggy.

 

When you play what?

Piano roll?

Cakes?


Grow up man