For the Linux community
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...-16-faster-on-an-intel-optimized-linux-distro

EDIT: And i know many hate on Asus because they suck on RMAs but this mobo is sweet man.
Oh and no RGB thank you.

 

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they seem to have had problems allocating Teams/people between groups
they have shown that can do it for the last 4 generations
microcode and os optimizations i mean.
they should drop as early as mid September or latest mid October
I've heard those next batches of x3d chips should drop at the same time
why they rushed this is anybody's guess

 

I agree, and the most concerning issue remains. Which is the 9950/9000 when pushed/oc also draw a lot of power. Now I understand why the 9800/9700 were the first to launch.

Meanwhile, AMD is releasing their monster new server CPUs. Using 3nm TSMC node instead of 4nm with Ryzen 9000. We are officially second class citizens. No surprise, neither new, but still sad to see so clear with such an important number.

 

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This is interesting if you've got some time to burn. Steve from Gamers Nuxus takes Asus staff members to task over their RMA policies.

 

those black+gold accents are sweet, I genuinely miss that sexy Z79 Deluxe design with circle boob xD

 

I've been an irrational Asus hater since 2010. Two mobos wasted. Never ever coming back. Even if I had all the money of the world.

PS. well, actually, if I had all the money in the world I'd buy Asus and dismantle it. Oh, and then evacuate all the facilities. And bomb them with napalm

 

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We didn't talk about this but did you guys notice X870E can support up to 256gb ram ? Yes there are new 64gb DDR5 sticks. The new Gigabyte Aorus Master does support it already (at least on spec sheet):
(From Gigabyte)
"Support for DDR5 8200(OC) / 8000(OC) / 7800(OC) / 7600(OC) / 7200(OC) / 7000(OC) / 6800(OC) / 6666(OC) / 6600(OC) / 6400(OC) / 6200(OC) / 6000(OC) / 5600(OC) / 5200 / 4800 / 4400 MT/s memory modules
4 x DDR5 DIMM sockets supporting up to 256 GB (64 GB single DIMM capacity) of system memory"

We should be expecting all new mobos to do so in the very near future. To me this is more exciting than the cpus themselves hahaha. 2 sticks and off you go rocking with 128gb. Oh and if by any chance anyone wants to train AI locally minimum config should be 192gb of ram, this is now covered well within spec and extended too. I already saw Polish brand GoodRAM, having on sale here 64gb LP sticks at 5600/6000/6400 mhz. The best buy is the 6000mhz, with timings 30-36-36 going for 235 euros (the 5600 has the same timings while the 6400 is CL34).
Cheers

 

This is great, esp. for home workstation use kind of thing. But there's a gnawing feeling in the back of my skull that we will not get more memory channels and PCIe-lanes for that use.

Unless it's threadripper time, I guess. But for my work use just plain more RAM would help, 256GB would be nice to orchestrate a decent sized fleet of VMs for dev/testing.

 

and I bet AMD didn't improve memory controller enough to handle those 4 sticks at more than 5200 MT

 

to run local AI LLMs without gpu acceleration, not great not terrible

 

No we will not be getting that mate. Pci-e lanes on x870E are the same as X670E, that is 44 usable. X870 non E will have 8 less.
But tbh i 'll be fucked if i saw one proper design of X670E at a normal price. The only proper one in terms of both feats and build was the Asus Crosshair Hero (~800 on launch, ~600 now) and still lacks 10gbE. We 're slowly getting there though, most boards now get 5gbE as standard. The new ProArtCreator i posted earlier, gets 10gbE out of the box and imho it is the most interesting board from the last two AMD gen boards. I did not post the Aorus Master, as Gigabyte seems to be making the most uninteresting boards for desktop AMD almost deliberately. The boards for Threadripper are very nice though, especially their new one AI TOP.

Dunno why you say that man. Boards now get 2 VRMs dedicated for memory and the memory controller was already just fine on 7950X. The problems with DDR5 people seem to have faced are neither cpu nor chipset based, from what i 've personally seen they usually come from the motherboard config. If one thing, for the 7x series AMD did fuck up with AGESA a couple of times in the beginning, DDR5 was brand new and the ram itself is much different than DDR4. I personally tested thoroughly 7950x with 4 sticks of 32gb ddr5 6400 (2 identical sets of 2 sticks) with memtest and AIDA64 and it finished just fine. No errors. Needs quite some BIOS fiddling though, you can't just install it and off you go to the races. I also tested 64gb (2x32) of 4800,5200,5600,6000 and 6400 mhz with Cubase, Live, Studio One (also AcidPro,Wavelab and SoundForge but these were for me). Now can you guess what the difference in overall performance was? From 4800 to 6400 i couldn't measure the improvement. Something like 0.5 % in some cases and only in ram intensive scenarios. It is more or less unimportant in audio scenarios. If i can recommend one thing to friends who are doing new AMD builds and want peace of mind, is go for the fastest ddr5 5200 you can get. Tight ass timings that is. This will save you a shitload of fiddling as everything above is OC. And tbh Intel socket 1700 is worse with 4800 being standard and all else above OC. Supposedly Intel next gen will be 5200 as standard but some peeps i know tell me they will be going for 5600mhz. We 'll have to wait and see as Intel have a lot on their plate now haha.
Cheers.

 

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Why I'd want a lot of PCIe lanes? For things like adding fast network adapters, and DPUs, for developing network processing stacks. 10GbE would be nice for normal LAN use, of course.

But it's waiting game for us for sure. I'm not going to splurge on a TR because I simply don't need one for personal use or even my work use. But I'd very very much like the aforementioned goodies that you'd get on a TR board.

But that said, 256GB RAM would be great for things like big graphics editing tasks w/ massive undo histories or loading up a shitton of samples. None of that is strictly necessary, but would be oh so nice.

By the way, thanks for dropping the knowledge on these boards, I really don't follow the progress there as much as I should as it's a home workstation PC kind of space, and my personal requirements are not that massive. But as the esteemed guitar god Yngwie Malmsteen said: "Less is more? No! More is more!"

 

Yeahh... building massive DL models on a shoestring budget just for fun. Grrreat...

 

We're not that far off! llamafile on a Ryzen 370 HX can run non-ghetto models at >120 tokens/sec.

 

I have a very average Am4 system.. Ryzen 5600G, no GPU, 32Gb DDR4, it's fast but I need more power for my DAW.

I'd love to build a AM5 system but at the moment nothing comes even close to the price / performance ratio of the AM 4 system??? The 5600G was already cheap years ago (170€ I think). For the same price you don't get much more CPU power today or am I mistaken? And if I get a version without integrated graphics I need a GPu which will cost hundreds even though I don't game? Very disappointed so far.

 

As an independent system builder and tech advisor to many studios and their owners, i truly believe you will be much better upgrading to a 5950X costing ~300€ now. Keep everything but the cooler and add a gpu. And no, the cost you mention of hundreds is a misconception mate. You just need a gpu that supports current protocols like DX12 and the latest OpenGL etc. A Radeon RX550 2gb from 2017 costs around 70€. A much better solution from late 2023 is the ARC A310 with 4gb from Intel at ~100€ and i really recommend this, as i only installed a couple of them but it just rocks for the money you pay and chances are you will never hear it, it 's dead silent. Add a liquid AIO for your cpu like an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 at about 85€ and it will keep the 16core cpu cool even under the silent mode setting. Overall upgrade cost 450-500€ which is much less than a brand new 9950X alone without counting the mobo and ram cost. And you can expect an overall performance lift of 200-250% depending the projects you do, even more in heavily threaded scenarios. Oh and the 5950X is roughly 20% slower than AMD's 7950X & 9950X and at least 15-20% faster than the brand new Ryzen 7 9700X costing 360€ atm. Plus you can always sell your 5600G it should get you around 70-80 euros (retails at ~135 new).
Oh and because many are dazzled by the new and shiny, 32gb ddr4-3200mt/s vs. 32gb ddr5-6400mt/s, had a difference of 3-4% in heavy Kontakt based projects where memory was almost maxed out in usage (98-99%). And this was most likely due to the larger bandwidth of DDR5 and AM5 platform rather than ram speed itself, as DDR5 4800 performed almost the same as DDR5 6400 as i was explaining earlier on another post.
Cheers and go for it

 

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depends what kind of performance expectations you aim for in your DAW,
no current CPU is 2x faster in singlecore than your 5600G, and if you don't work on plenty of tracks you don't really need more cores either,

"upgrading" your current AM4 platform probably isn't worth it - sure you can go for 5950X, decent cooler and dedicated graphics as taskforce wrote, but that would set you around 500-600€, (and you didn't mention what motherboard which might be budget tier not really optimal for such high-end cpu power requirements)
- it's up to you whether spending 500-600€ extra is worth over learning howto properly bounce/freeze tracks within a project to save some cpu load when working on music

passmark singlecore scores for reference:
5600G - 3190
5950X - 3469
Apple M1 - 3694
8600G - 3871
Apple M2 - 3912
8700G - 3932
7950X - 4279
Apple M3 - 4833

 

I just saw this. It goes for like 20 bucks. 5gbE to m.2 adapter. Bringing 5gps to older comps with practically no cost at all, not too shabby right? Patrick at servethehome reviewed it and said it's solid just like the pci-e version. It's based on the Realtek RTL8126 NIC. With multiport 10gbE switches constantly dropping in price i find this very handy.

 

@taskforce - there's also 10Gbe EGPL-T101-C1 (Marvell AQtion based) option

 

For 150? Cheapest version i can find from Innodisk at Amazon. I 'd rather get the 5gbps and spend the extra 100+ to add for a multiport 10gbps switch with link aggregation (which i need anyway). Goodside of the 10gbE adapter is it can run full speed even on gen.2 m.2 ports. This covers a grand scale of computers but then again old maxed out comps will have to ditch some peripheral due to the adapter occupying 4 lanes and yet on the otherside this stands for the 5gbE adapter as well. So yeah, things are beginning to get interesting.
Btw, Zen 5 EPYC is coming relatively soon and they are up for a 192 core cpu. Wtf lol. Unless it's a rumor.
Oh before i forget it, on the other post about the mobo you mention, any mobo but the very cheapest ones (sub 100euros) will do. I tried 5950X with as low as MSI B450 Tomahawk. This used to cost around 120 euros. The guy who the board was for, was up for an upgrade from 3600 and gtx 1050ti to 5800X and rtx 2080 super and i had him come during testing of the 5950X and actually wouldn't leave without the 5950X installed. Paid me 100 more to grab the pc at the exact moment. I still laugh about it. I kept the 5800X for another customer.
So yeah, any board decent enough will do but not the lowest possible.

 

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