YouTube fucking your sound

Discussion in 'Working with Sound' started by tzzsmk, May 21, 2021.

  1. Jaymz

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    YouTube is growing like weed lol. 100% agree with you ! I have a theory that YouTube and a few of the streaming sites will be our Next Record Labels... Everyone thinks Labels are History... but in reality their just making the transition to all the major streaming sites online. Their all signing artist everyday ,and the independent artists are going to get pushed to the back. Soon it will be hard to get any traction unless you are a major artist signed by these money hungry cocksuckers. They will control the News and all the Artists....everything:cheers:
     
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    Not with crooks like Lyor Cohen at the helm of their global music division. Just look at his track record. Only the lowest common denominator audience will turn to YT for 'content' or 'music'. I"m at the point where the only new music I enjoy is the music I write for myself, or the mixes I work on for other artists. YT is just television for the sheep at this point.
     
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    I found this one - believable?

    You are confusing yourself. First of all none of the streaming services limits or alter anything. They simply offset the volume by a certain dB value, to make it comply with their LUFS standard and make videos sound equally loud. LUFS metering is a loudness metering. It does not say or describe anything regarding peaks. What youtube is doing is Normalizing audio to a reference of -13LUFS. They do not compress anything. It is simply a matter of them analyzing the LUFS of the audio material, and offsetting the volume, to comply with their specifications.

    It should not in any way or form be used as a reference for mixing or mastering, this is a total misconception, sweeping the lands. What you should worry about is ISP/Truepeak, and make sure to leave at least 0.5db of headroom for conversion ISPs.

    This whole nonsense about everyone thinking streaming normalization standards has any musical significance is absurd. In fact, it just makes a practical problem easier for us to handle, and we don't have to worry about it for a second. The only thing it tells you is, that if your Master has a reading of -13LUFS, at least it will not sound quieter than other material. The great part is that this gives us the choice of maintaining more sensible RMS values, but it should never be considered a reference for how to mix or master - do what sounds good.

    Source: https://gearspace.com/board/mastering-forum/1191869-mastering-youtube-lufs.html
     
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  4. Alleykat

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    sometimes older uploads tend to escape the normalization, even a couple of my own old productions are still 100% loudness and damn I cranked the limiter on those ones like there was no tomorrow. Sometimes, some new uploads also avoid the normalization, but from what I've seen this happens randomly and rarely.
     
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    allowing the new york times and french TV1 to post whatever lies they wish is also only an algorithm. :)
     
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    and i would not be so sure if this form of free speech they practice would be better than what others do.

    bitchute is dominated by stuff like "you must buy alex jones wonderpills if you want to survive", "why carlson tucker ist right" , videos of the latest UFO reports or reports that most islamistic terrorist attacks would be "faked".

    you can bet that if you upload something to bitchute which is not a fairy tale that they will delete it asap.
     
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    says coward harpendale ?

    soon :)
     
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  11. Olaf

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    No, loudness normalization (just like turning down the volume knob) is neither compression nor limiting. Spotify uses additional limiting on their "Loud" setting, since they normalize tracks in both direction in this special case. It does not apply to YouTube.
     
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    look at https://lbry.io stable multi platform and do not mess with the file you upload it stays the same monetising through their own LBC crypto one can choose to serve the blockchain and earn coins by watching videos and lots more no one can undo your blockchain transaction to the network than the owner of the hash open source and youtube synch service so only good things.

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    lol its just the biggest free music archive ever
    and with your attitude its clear that you not find new or even old never known music
    no common sense and living in reality
     
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    and this last one says realy all you need to kno to analyze this .
    come on:winker::no::yes::no::yes:
     
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    the sheer fact all the streaming services use lossy codecs of all various sorts and kinds means they are ALWAYS altering EVERYTHING,
    speaking of normalization, in earlier days YouTube was trying multiband compression/limiting which changed sound too much for people to ignore so they abandoned that idea quickly,
    problem with LUFS thingy is, it's not designed for such streaming services at all and just breaks everything,
    this kind of objective measurement of subjectively perceived loudness was designed for TV/broadcast where content is not as varied and treated by professionals - on the other hand YouTube and other streaming services are mixing together music, podcasts, audiobooks, recordings, livestreams etc... all with badly designed automated normalization algorithms...
    btw Tidal (and maybe some others) screwed their entire sound library content using MQA, as mentioned in one of my older threads here: https://audiosex.pro/threads/mqa-bullshit-demystified.58776/
     
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    Formats for Internet Distribution
    Audio files can get very large in their original created state, so some method must be used to make them smaller and more manageable. This is the only way they can be sent over the Internet. This method is known as data compression. At some point in the distant future, when everyone is hooked up to a fast broadband internet provider, large files will no longer be an issue. But to the present Time is data compression in the only way for a successful online transmission.

    Data compression
    Data compression is a process that uses psychoacoustic principles to reduce the number of bits required to represent an audio signal. Data compression is currently used because regular LPCM files are so large that they cannot be transferred or stored online quickly and easily enough. Data compression reduces the physical storage space required to store a sound. Therefore it also reduces the timewhich is required to transfer a file.Data compression can be lossy. This means that the sound quality - as already discussed - is reduced or impaired by the compression. But it can also be lossless, which means that there is no loss of quality when the file is decompressed again. A number of methods or codecs (derived from the words encoder / decoder) are used for data compression, all of which have a different sound and a different purpose.

    Lossy compression method
    MP3, AAC, MPEG-4, Windows Media Audio, Ogg Vorbis (.ogg) u-law
    Lossless Codecs
    Apple Losless, FLAC,
     
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  17. Vader

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    Unfortunately, YouTube's new algorithm favors all the trash for views and likes instead of quality and informative videos.
     
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    it does currently not apply to youtube because youtube simply doesnt make quiet audio louder. :)

    otherwise it is unavoidable. there is no hidden magic in the multiplication of numbers.

    most streaming services destroy experimental tracks´ dynamics if they are not loud enough. they are only good for mainstream music.

    it will get interesting how that will soon change (again) when apple and tidal allow 24 and 32 bits.

    this automatic shit makes me mad. it should be left to the client to turn an autogain option on or off. (though youtube is relatively clever in one point: they adapt pieces to each other when they are in a collection, like in an album made of individual videos.)
     
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    Broke: Loudness War
    Woke: Loudness Cold War
    fml :hahaha:
     
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    Which isn't true, as we could prove.
     
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