Windows 11 is here

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  1. BEAT16

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    An end date for Windows 10 has nevertheless been set: On October 14, 2025, Microsoft plans to release security updates for the last time. However, there is one restriction: Microsoft promises updates until 2025, but only for "at least one publication of the six-monthly Windows 10 channel". Translated, this means that you still have to take part in at least one version change of Windows 10. Because support for the current Windows version 21H1 ends on December 13, 2022.
     
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    update 10.0.22000.71 for Windows 11.

    Are available.
     
  3. gutzsoulz

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    The same hardware with windows 10 will run more faster on windows 11?

    and Audio Softwares / DAW run better ? :-/

    the eternal doubt... upgrade or not upgrade? rsrs

     
  4. metaller

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    When developers develop software, they add features, fix bugs, and optimize things to run faster. When a major version bump happens, a set of APIs become deprecated, which means the application developers will stop using those soon or later.

    If you understand the fundamental procedure of software development, you will understand that you should always be on the latest stable version or you will suffer from bugs, security vulnerability, and outdated APIs that are deprecated.

    This is exactly what happened for VST2. VST2 was deprecated years ago, and Steinberg never allowed anyone to use VST2 SDK legally. Those who are still using VST2 will suffer from the old SDK, its lack of optimizations compared to VST3, its lack of features (such as multi-inputs), etc.

    The stable Windows is not released yet. So, not now unless you are an enthusiast.
     
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    metaller: "If you understand the fundamental procedure of software development, you will understand that you should always be on the latest stable version or you will suffer from bugs, security vulnerability, and outdated APIs that are deprecated."

    ---You will just SUFFER from bugs, if you dont know your VSTudio and your tools.
    ---security vulnerability-- Only for webAPI stuff ...
    ---outdated APIs--yes Agree... But if you loo at most releaseNotes, sometimes api did not change a lot. Sometimes there are milestones.... Depends what skills and coding tricks you are doing.

    metaller: "This is exactly what happened for VST2. VST2 was deprecated years ago, and Steinberg never allowed anyone to use VST2 SDK legally. Those who are still using VST2 will suffer from the old SDK, its lack of optimizations compared to VST3, its lack of features (such as multi-inputs), etc."

    Steinberg allowed VST2 SDK , since 2013 (maybe not in your country, because of (c)issues?)...

    Vst3 is still more buggy than vst2 for a lot of users.... Also vst3 Cracked plugs, often not working.... The Vst Standard is so old, and the 128Slots you can use is outdated, a bit, but still like a steamLocomotive -working.

    If you have a new bought hardware, than just Unittest, or stress test your OS with your DAW... It takes one Weekend, wif ableton maybe, and test your windows 7,8,9,10,10.2,11,22

    You just need your CPU heaviest VSTi and VST FX.... actually win 7 will have the best performance, because of not interrupting online Ping, that are implemented in win10, and 11...

    Just using the simple threatStealing Method for best performance, simple effective.... tweakable.
     
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    Microscum has also strongly implied that even computers which have TPM 2.0 and secure boot, but are older than an Intel 8th Gen Core or AMD Ryzen 2000 series CPU won't be supported in the final release of Windows 11, no offline installs the scum want complete control and info of absolutely everything about and installed your computer.
     
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    TPM Explained nicely:

     
  8. ih8ms

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    Increased security then! :)
     
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    Guess i will wait a few iterations.

    And for sure installing pro or enterprise edition. Home Edition is always crap. Bloated and no stuff like gedit.msc.
     
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    win 10 1809 and ms can eat my farts
     
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    MacOS here and MS can eat my farts too :rofl:
     
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    I wish plugins start supporting linux once nd for all. The big ones, nexus, Sylenth1, spire, serum. I have these 4 no reason to go to Windows. I can learn a new daw, since neither fl or Ableton support linux
     
  13. DoubleTake

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    Still fapping on Win10 no probs.

    Oh... 21H1 (OS Build 19043.1110)
     
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    if you don't have TPM module support
     
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    It's almost 3 weeks been using the Win 11 just to live dangerously. I start from clean installation, not update. Few important things I've learn and want to share:

    1) TPM 2.0 has different names, according to motherboard brands/chipsets. Mine is called fTM or something in the BIOS security settings. No information on the vendor website, I've learn it from some random redditor that been using the same motherboard. Try google or check reddit or something if you can't find TPM setting on your motherboard.

    2) Ableton 11 performs faster than ever, but this could be because "a newly formatted PC" and the Live new updates, but it feels faster with almost the same amount of user library and packs (around 300GB, years of collecting samples, presets, instruments etc) that I carried from my previous Win 10. It took around 2 mins or so to start in Win 10, and less than 1 minute in Win 11.

    3) Not even one single problem with VST yet, compatibility wise and I've been working atleast 7-8 hours minimum with Ableton Live everyday without fail been using all my favourite plugins and some N4 stuff all working (minus my inability to create VST from preset). All my older projects opened just fine, some Kontakt library failed to load, but it's nothing that couldn't be fixed and I consider normal for a big library, the files/snapshots are all over the place, plus have to reinstall, batch resave and stuff. I keep a habit of always write settings note for every track that used Kontakt, learnt it from experience, so not really a problem for me. As for now I have 3800 VST installed, all VST and VST3. I usually only install VST2 but this time I installed both VST2 and VST3 just to be safe, so the actual number could be half of that. Around 200+ 32bit old synths that I love also working fine.

    4) Only one app failed so far, Sonarworks (old version from sister site), it has trouble starting up. Installed and it runs just fine but when you restart the PC, it will conflict with the interface/sound card. Not a big deal for me because the VST version inside DAW running just fine. I tried 5 times install, uninstall, tried one older version, same result.

    5) Most of my hardware still using Win 10 driver, not a single fail. Even the Apogee interface also working fine.

    6) Had dotNET problem at first, where some older apps need older version of dotNET (2 and 3.5) that apparently isn't installed by default, which will also conflict with Windows Added Features installation". I got a loop of never ending "Windows is installing some feature in the background" and continue with "Something had happened, Windows couldnt....." - I googled and managed to fix it, which includes installing it from the Flash Drive USB (Windows installation media) using batch script which is not that hard.

    7) I love the new curvy border of everything, it's beautiful on 21:9 screen, plus some added features for ultra wide screen user.

    8) I've only installed Live 11, Studio One 5, Reaper, Maschine and Komplete so far. Zero problem with installation and using them.
     
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    speaking of Windows 11, I got Windows 11 for ARM on my M1 Mac in Parallels, and with 8GB ram the new Windows 11 flies, very impressed by optimizations :wink:
     
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    I always do that, Disk Cleanup every 3 or 4 days. I also format my working PC every 6 months or so since forever ago just to keep everything light and clean. Win 11 happens to be released on that time, so I thought to give it a go. I have another PC for other uses while all the data, backup, installers and keygens stored on a NAS and external drives so it only took one full day to reset everything back if anything ever happens.
     
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    thanks Steve Dude for this great information! ..., which version you installed ? 11 home, pro or enterprise?
     
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