yea it's bad, but there are workarounds for those who care, such as blocking network interactions via NetLimiter + firewall/dns on network level like PiHole or OPNsense, updates can be paused forever using simple registry entries,
operating system is just a layer between user and software/hardware they use, once official Windows 10 lifecycle is over, devs will no longer support it and will require Windows 11 (just as they dropped Windows 7), and although teams like R2R often bypass older system incompatibility, it's not an option for legit customers

 

When a new operating system is on the horizon, they spread panic by telling you that your computer will catch fire and all kinds of malware will immediately threaten your existence if you do not upgrade immediately . Of course, none of this is true and life goes on exactly as before. Fear can make people do the most amazing things.

In any case, I'm keeping my Windows 10 installation because I simply don't have the desire or time to reinstall all the programs and libraries (which takes forever) just to switch from a 10 to an 11.

 

People still use C64 today, it can be fixed and still works, the same can be done with computers supporting Windows 95/98/2000/XP/Vista/7/8/10/11, there's nothing to worry about, everything can be fixed, and big corporations only scare people to make more money

 

I have them stopped. dead. Doesn't actually require a guest account. I have the services and the tasks disabled. You simply have to "take ownership" of all the files and reg keys, then rename the services to *.NULL. Or you can RAR the service files in an archive and then delete the originals - you can unRAR the stuff at a later date if you want to update the machine on a one off session. For the stuff re-directed to SVCHOST you can simply SC DELETE the service name (once you have ownership). Be advised the update process will attempt to reverse-reverse engineer all of your privacy tweaks, so beware.

 

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Just look at the hoops you have to jump through on your OWN computer!!! It reminds of that old far fetched movie from the early 80's Tron, and the MCP controlling everything.

 

I'm fine with 10. I really wasn't looking forward to upgrading this far but it felt close enough to 7 that it hasn't really been a big deal.

I mostly grab samples and resources for other hardware these days and I'm happy with what I have. There would have to be some insane innovation that required any updates for me to even consider budging.

I've already had 2 clones of my current PC made so I'm set for a very long time.

3 sets of the exact same hardware and a few backups of my OS and settings and these computers will stay offline going forward.

The great thing about finding a stopping point is that in a lot of cases your gear will only get cheaper.

It's a good feeling.

 

Every Windows user should download and backup:
- Windows 10 LTSC IoT
- massgrave activation scripts repository (https://massgrave.dev/)
- (optional) ReviOS playbook (https://www.revi.cc/docs/playbook/general)

We should also build own tool for audio optimization, something similar to Chris Titus Windows tool (https://christitus.com/windows-tool/) to optimize, block telemetry, debloat

 

that would be interesting, we'll gladly assist if anyone's up to it

 

Your whole reply screams "Just trust me bro", so can you provide some additional material with all of that, I want to learn, especially more optimized part, what that means, using less resources, services, telemetry, more audio related features, more optimized with AM4 CPU's, what?

 

Regarding the speed, the builds of Windows 11 are being generated with a new SDK. They do some "workarounds" by polyfiling code for older Windows 10, but that comes with a performance hit. The SDK is the reason many DAWs have dropped support for older Windows versions.

microsoft/WindowsAppSDK: The Windows App SDK empowers all Windows desktop apps with modern Windows UI, APIs, and platform features, including back-compat support, shipped via NuGet.

Microsoft now uses newer MSVC compilers to build their Windows apps. They provide better performance across the system.
performance - C++ Team Blog
Performance Improvements in .NET 8 - .NET Blog
Performance Improvements in .NET 7 - .NET Blog
Performance Improvements in .NET 6 - .NET Blog
MSVC Backend Updates since Visual Studio 2022 version 17.3 - C++ Team Blog
Learn about performance features in Microsoft Edge - Microsoft Support

All the chip makers such as Nvidia, Intel, AMD, etc. have been working with Microsoft to provide more optimized versions of their drivers, and they all work better on Windows 11. These include many CPU features such as branch prediction, thread scheduling, direct storage access, etc.

Intel confirms it worked closely with Microsoft to optimize Alder Lake processors for Windows 11 - MSPoweruser
Thread Director: Windows 11 Does It Best - Intel 12th Gen Core Alder Lake for Desktops: Top SKUs Only, Coming November 4th
AMD Ryzen Branch Prediction Optimizations Now Available to Windows 11 23H2 | TechPowerUp
Load PC Games Faster: How to Use DirectStorage in Windows 11 | PCMag

Also, Windows 11 now requires SSE 4.2 SIMD instructions, which means the apps that target Windows 11 and use these vectorized operations will automatically run much faster. You will notice these in math-heavy operations such as in Audio VST Plugins.

Parsing JSON at Gigabytes per Second with simdjson
Single instruction, multiple data - Wikipedia

They have optimized several areas of Windows. Here's a high-level summary of some features:
Windows 11: The Optimization and Performance Improvements

Lastly, there's basically no difference between Windows 10 and 11 in terms of telemetry. They both allow you to turn things off. If you're privacy concerned, just install something like simplewall.

Just turn off what you don't use from the settings.
12 Settings You Should Tweak in Windows 11 For Optimum Experience

Microsoft now also provides PC Manager which does some optimizations and allows you to control what apps are in the startup.
Microsoft PC Manager - Free download and install on Windows | Microsoft Store

There are some so-called debloating tools that can uninstall apps, but I don't recommend going that route as they don't provide any "performance" benefits. They just reduce the storage used without having runtime benefits.

The bottom line is that don't allow people who don't have any deep technical knowledge to scare you from using new technologies.

 

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Yeah, I have 3 Windows Development Kits installed at the moment. One for Windows 7, one for Windows 10-original release and one for Windows 10-current. There's very little in those that would make anything run faster, including plugins, if re-compiled against a newer SDK. Just more convenience.

What you linked is not relevant to Windows 10 vs Windows 11 performance.

The Windows _App_ SDK only pertains to _apps_ written in ModernUI and does not affect Windows' (the operating system) performance. It also does not affect the performance of apps not written in ModernUI - which is quite literally every single app on your computer, including your DAW, every single one of your plugins, your photo editor, your office suite, your browser, your games, your video player, ...

The Windows App SDK only affects ModernUI apps like Windows Settings, Windows Clock, Windows Store.

.NET has nothing to do with Windows vs Windows performance. No performance critical part of any relevant OS has ever and likely will ever be written in a .NET language. .NET is a standard that is entirely separate from Windows (the operating system). Because it is a standard and has nothing to do with the OS, the relevant non-GUI parts of .NET are also available on ALL operating systems, including Linux and MacOS. Changes to the .NET SDK only affect the performance of .NET _apps_, not the operating system.

(Not that it matters, because no one has ever written a serious plugin in a .NET language anyway)

Hit update in the Visual Studio installer and you get access to those improvements. Not "across the system", just for apps that are recompiled and that happen to be hitting one of the improved code paths (very unlikely, you're talking a dozen improvements vs millions of paths that haven't changed at all (often in decades)).

Plugins need to be re-compiled to take advantage of auto-vectorisation improvements in the compiler. This can only be done by someone with access to the plugin's source code. Those improvements are available to developers on older Windows versions - by hitting "update". It hardly matters though because audio code can't be easily auto-vectorised anyway beyond mono -> N channels.

For very new hardware (2022+) this is true. Please link benchmarks of these improvements materialising on hardware relevant to this thread, where the end of support for Windows 10 is being discussed. No sensationalist tech YouTubers who copy paste screencaps from even more sensationalist fringe websites showing synthetic microbenchmarks.

(Quotes messed up because the forum was down)

 

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You also have to tune Windows 11 a bit and turn off some things.

13 ways to speed up Windows 11
www.computerworld.com/article/1617815/how-to-speed-up-windows-11.html

The Ultimate Guide to Optimize your Windows PC for the Stage - PDF
https://gigperformer.com/docs/ultim...to Optimize your Windows PC for the Stage.pdf

 

I've already installed Windows 12, just to be ready, works great except 4 times as many advertisements, but on the upside they are mostly for more great Microsoft products. I worry the retina scans required for login may malfunction and blind me, but microsoft says I'll get free Xbox for life if that happens, course I can no longer read fine print due to retinal damage, so I'm unsure if there's a gotcha clause.

 

So, let's say it loud: "Long live, R2R!"

 

That's why it's important to start with a distribution that is well supported, like Debian, Ubuntu, Arch. Arch Wiki is so helpful when you search for a solution to some problem and most of these solutions are universal for most main distributions.

 

New Microsoft system is always:
1) Faster
2) More Secure
3) More Productive
4) A ton of other stuff they don't tell you ( like making Microsoft more money )

I'll never forget the laughs we had while installing Windows XP and reading all that corporate garbage talk.
I had to start using Windows 10 on my helpful Lenovo laptop, due to many plugins not being W7 compatible and for support reason. I recommend Ghostspectre version, but using PhoenixOS version, though.

 

@ArticStorm Windows is only suitable for offline music production, eventually for video rendering and graphics edition. For social media, gaming and other things I have Linux

 

Cheers for the advice buddy..I thought Cinnamon Mint was supposedly one of the better ones but I now have another machine I've finished working on that is currently doing nothing. I think I will give one of those Distros you mentioned a try.

 

@Sylenth.Will.Fall Mint Cinnamon looks just nice, I have already installed it on 2 computers