I would tend to agree. I've pretty much accumulated all the types of drum sounds I need and it's no problem to just do some eq, compression, or saturation to make it fit to what I need. However I am curious about this sample pack you speak of. Would you mind posting a link here? Or if it's from the sister site, send me a PM? Thanks.

 

I assume they either don't know how to process them or they (think they) don't have the time to do it.

 

I'm not 100% sure but I think ArticStorm might be referring to This Collection, as it has been posted on this forum couple of times.

 

Thanks for linking these @Ikagura. I agree with Arctic. If you find samples that are not over processed leaving room for you to do it yourself then you cling onto them. Some people associate these types of samples with bad quality but it's really just letting you do it your own way.

Compressing an already compressed sample won't necessarily making it sound better. Which is what happens when people take sounds then start processing a chain on top of the chain that's already inside the sample already.

 

@ArticStorm, going out on a limb here from the old samples I have left over from when I used to use Reason 5, but could it be Erkan's Organised Drum Samples at all? I still have that whole lib left over from when I used to samples. I know there's some classic samples in that pack. The whole thing I have is 1.02 GB. Over 1,400 drums samples on there. Not all samples from drum machines, though.

I feel I may be pissing in the wind with this, but I'm certain I know the pack that you're talking about.

If it's not that, I'll try my best to hunt it down.

Edit: Seeing your latest comment, it's not what I've just said about.

On the hunt.

Edit #2. In response to you asking if people recycle old drum machine sample: Nah, I used to use samples when I was using Reason. Same as .rex files. Now my thing is all about building and sculpting my own kits/beats. Superior Drummer 3 for kits that sound "real", and tweak them for my needs, anything digital, Heartbeat by Softube. Really nice vintage sounds.

 

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Yeah, there are some very cymbals in that pack. Some really nice bass drums, too. Always went to the Paramore kick drum for Redrum. Damn, really quite miss working with Reason. Crazy how far DAW's have come along since then.

 

slightly offtopic but does anybody know of a loop/sample company named spurgle/splurgle ?

i got as many free demo packs as possible many years back , and when i finally had money to spend years later i couldnt find any trace of the website or loops.

specifically their punk guitar pack that was right up my alley
https://voca.ro/1mlK4QHRxhN8

 

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Well people think that because it might be lower in volume or unprocessed like the other samples they are used to getting which takes most the work out for them. Then they end up just avoiding or skipping over those samples. I see it all the time, processed ear candy always gets picked over samples that sound inferior to them at first glance.

It goes back to instant gratification, processing them takes time to get them to sound like these other ones that sound like a finished record already. It's not even about them sounding less quality more than that's how they are perceived when a producer is selecting his samples. They aren't worse than processed samples, they are simply just not processed yet.

It's Direct signals vs processed chains. A direct signal could be come processed but an already processed sample mostly has the potential to just be overprocessed. There's a reason mixing/mastering engineers don't want your limiter at the end of your chain. They just want an example of it so you can preserve the room for them to become processed by the engineer.

If you take out all of the headroom then you're probably still in a bedroom.

 

You can add to, and process a sample as much as you like, but it will never change the quality of the initial sample. Never. That's not how things work. You can't upscale audio.

 

Exactly, you can't really make something that is shit, suddenly good. For there are no flowers in my turd. The DI has to be good first. But to most it seems that; quieter = shittier. So things are glanced over especially when they aren't very experienced yet.

"This one sounds better to me. So it must be better" Sometimes the deciding factor is literally 3db between whack potential and potentially whack when the vol fader could have saved their day.

They aren't thinking through the sample they chose had 5 plugins jump into it previously and so he goes off adding 6 more plugins because that's just a day in the life of a producer in his episode of MTV Cribs. They process it anyways because it's the protocol they think they should follow.

You can make a good DI better but you can't make a shit not stink with no amount of air freshener.

 

When I am working on a track, a lot of times I will decide to "let it go where it wants". This includes sometimes searching my library by either BPM or Key, and then randomly auditioning them. The more files in the pool, the higher probability of ending up with something to add to the project and get things moving along again. That is for loops only; I am more specific when selecting any drum one shots.

I use the Color Tags in MacOS Finder a lot, to mark loops when I am auditioning new samples.
It helps mark stuff you know you would like to find a use for. You can also sort by Tag Color then.

 

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3 times already I found 707 kicks from different sample pack with 99% identical waveform and sometimes I wonder what is the odd the drum machine actually producing the same waveform of sound and it's been recorded by two different people using different machines at different part of the worlds at different time using different converter and different electrical hum etc. Recycle it is.

 

Now that is just watching a guy straight take a whole slice of pizza out your box through your door cam when he's supposedly delivering it to you. Some people just say "it will have to do since they are no big tipper"

 

But if push came to shove, I'd rather deliver man take a slice of pizza than leave a pube on the wholeness of my pizza. A cloned sample is deletable but a pube sample is non transferable.

 

You know what? I didn't read a SINGLE post in this thread. VERY good question.
I quit acquiring new sample libraries AGES ago. Now that's not to say that
if I see some bits and bobs that intrigue me.....I might bite. But seriously tho, I'm
not frikkin' Hans Simmer! I'm just a crusty old heavy psych rocker. I have a marvelous
library for my own needs. Frankly, it kind of pisses me off that companies like like
NI, (and god knows I could name dozens more), have turned their attention from
VSTi's to sample packs. NI provides a great example... B4 was great in it's day.But...its
replacement, the Vintage Organ collection for Kontakt is weak as dish water! There are
freeware B3 emus. And most collections these days are HUGE. Aside from that,
many "sample libraries" are just collections of loops marketed to kiddies with iPhones
that believe pasting together the work of ACTUAL musicians somehow makes them
producers......FEH.

I kind of feel the same way about hardware. I'm really getting over of looking for that
next "big thing". It's time to really dig into what I have. Find out what really trips my
trigger and sell the rest.....so I can buy the next BIG THING......LOL!!