Who can identify thEQorange (now incl. solving)?

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  1. Smoove Grooves

    Smoove Grooves Audiosexual

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    Or you could just call them 1-4. Simpler.
    It just seemed to me that you may be hearing something different to me. Yet, 2nd one of drums loop (your #3) sounded nicest to me.
    I just hope that the first one (your #2) isn't Nova! (Which I now think is what you're saying too?)
    Couldn't do second test. File too big, bad wifi connection for me right now.
    If I could dl a demo of this plug I'd have stakes in recognising it! I'd hope.
     
  2. Herr Tony

    Herr Tony Producer

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    I will change it again to 1-4... done!

    I agree 2nd (from 1 - 4) First Test, sounded the nicest to me too and I am hoping it is not Nova, cause it would shatter my world into pieces. I think it must be Orange, because theoretically the nature of a truly linear phase EQ must sound like that (not hyped in any frequency), but who knows; now that I listen to them again, 2nd(1-4) has that round low end that is probably hyped, so maybe 2nd is Nova. :wow:

    I think I will have to demo TDR and DDMF eq to give a final opinion. :bow:
     
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    mild pump milk Russian Milk Drunkard

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    As I remember from old Algorithmix descriptions, Red is in frequency domain, Orange in time domain. Read through about both on Algorithmix site. Also there is an article Red vs Orange difference. And there is said that Red is FIR based linear phase eq, Orange is IIR based linear phase eq (IIR based linear phase is QRANGE by lkjb, it is free), as i remember.
    So all FIR linear phase eqs you know, are same as Red. Orange should be different.
     
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  4. Sinus Well

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    FFT Noise is a full range impulse noise - a dirac-loop. Far more precise than pink- or white noise.
    It's what's under the hood of plugin doctor and there is also a JS plugin for it in Reaper.
     
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  5. Xupito

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    In fact it's a (perhaps exponential) sine sweep. The Diraq delta is a mathematical concept that involves the infinite number.
    So theoretically you're right but in practice you have to resort to the sine sweep.
    DDMF "forgot" that in their marketing :rofl:
     
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  6. Sinus Well

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    Ah, okay, interesting. :) Well, I use an FFT noise for such measurements. Works great. :wink:
     
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  7. dolphinhero6969

    dolphinhero6969 Noisemaker

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    I think the Sonoris Mastering Equalizer is also IIR Linear Phase - worth checking out.
     
  8. No Avenger

    No Avenger Moderator Staff Member

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    Sure, but I wanted to wait until @eXACT_Beats_ made his guess and maybe our @starkid84 likes to tell if he found the comparison with a complete track useful/more revealing.

    Err, for the nice audio track (thanks btw) the EQs have the...
    I keep it private. :winker:

    Yep, and still updated, thanks for the reminder.
    And it looks veeery similar to Maat's...

    Are talking about that Gaussian Noise Gen? I didn't find anything with FFT and noise. :unsure:
     
  9. Sinus Well

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    Nah, Gaussian is shaped noise.

    It's no longer included in the new installation packages..
    Here is the code:
    Code:
    desc:fft noise generator
    
    slider1:-90<-120,0,6>volume (per  band)
    slider2:6<0,9,1{16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768}>FFT size
    
    @init
    
    @slider
    vol=10^(slider1/20);
    
    
    lfft=fftsize;
    a=(slider2|0);
    a<0?a=0:a>11?a=11;
    fftsize=2^(a+4);
    
    lfft!=fftsize ?
    (
      buf=0;
      ep=fftsize*2;
      fv=0;
      hsize=fftsize*0.5;
      loop(hsize,
        v=buf ? 2.0 : 0;
        buf[0]=v;
        buf[1]=0;
        ep-=2;
        buf+=2;
        ep[0]=0;
        ep[1]=0;
      );
      fft_ipermute(0,fftsize);
      ifft(0,fftsize);
      rdpos=0;
    );
    
    @sample
    
    spl0=rdpos[0]*vol;
    spl1=rdpos[0]*vol;
    rdpos+=2;
    rdpos>=fftsize*2?rdpos=0;
     
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  10. eXACT_Beats_

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    Feel free to reveal the results; I'll just post without looking at the results once life slows down and I get the chance to breath. :yes:
     
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    We have a winner.jpg
     
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    And the winner is.jpg
     
  13. Smoove Grooves

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    Chill, Winston!
     
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  14. Sinus Well

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    Only for the sake of completeness the relevant extract from DDMF marketing:

    "Linear analysis: magnitude and phase response using delta or random input signal"

    To me it sounds like they refer to a Dirac sequence or to white/pink noise.
    This means that...

    YOU'RE WRONG!

    YOU ! ARE !! WROOONNNGG !!!!









    Hehe I'm just kidding :bleh:
     
  15. Herr Tony

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    Since No Avenger says is the same order of eqs, I stand with my final guess using the loop.

    #1 TDR NOVA
    #2 Orange MAAT
    #3 DMG Equilibrium
    #4 DDMF LP10
     
  16. No Avenger

    No Avenger Moderator Staff Member

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    Better, at least for one number. [​IMG]
     
  17. No Avenger

    No Avenger Moderator Staff Member

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    Ok, ladies and gentlemen, time to solve the riddle. :yes:

    1. DMG Audio EQuilibrium
    2. TDR Nova!
    3. MAAT thEQorange and last and to some extend also least
    4. DDMF LP10
    So, still some questions remain.
    Is the difference worth 6-effin-hundred-78 bucks??? I mean, that's round about 100€ above Cubase's RRP!!!
    Are linear phase EQs maybe overrated because Nova isn't one and no-one seemed to really care about it?
    And how would the free lkjb qrange do in this comparison?
    So many questions, what are your answers?

    I'll soon rate 'Best Answer' but right now that might spoil the fun for the others who still want to listen to it.
     
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  18. Tob

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    oh well I liked TDR and DMG, DDMF was ok and I did not like Maat. Good news I dont have to pay 671 €! :winker:

    I would never ever recognize them correct.
    Thank you, great test.
     
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  19. Nightmix

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    The test's methodology is flawed.

    You included a single wav file with each example, one after the other.

    Each example track should be separate, precisely aligned, and the exact same number of samples per track. In this way the tracks can be A/B'd while they are playing, and can loop.

    Each track is also not precisely gain matched. You can precisely gain match tracks easily to R128 standards using Foobar2000.

    I did this for you.

    Here are the updated files. They are numbered 00 - 04, with 00 being the original, and the numbers being as you had them.

    https://www29.zippyshare.com/v/gSiVM4uy/file.html
    https://www36.zippyshare.com/v/y9A7l3MS/file.html


    The tracks are now precisely aligned, and can be A/B'd as they are playing:

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    The tracks as I said were not gain matched:

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    After gain matching them to R128 (-4.0 db to prevent clipping in the first MAAT Test):

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    (The gain matched tracks are what is in the zip file).
     
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  20. Xupito

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    I only said the one I liked the most, not what was asked, but I kinda like it was TDR Nova.
    This is a question I've seen in other places, it's above my head right now but perhaps I'll dig into it sometime. It seems more important for multi-band compressors, again just random recollections.
     
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