Who can identify thEQorange (now incl. solving)?

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  1. No Avenger

    No Avenger Moderator Staff Member

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    Nope, that's why I wrote 'small test' and 'identical values'. Neither did I adjust the output which differs among these EQs for ~ 1dB.
    For a more thorough one-to-one test I might've done this.

    Oh, I didn't forget it, ok maybe a bit, but I find it rather difficult to built matching low cut, bells and high shelf bands with ReaFIR.
    The FFT size isn't a problem, you can change it in EQuilibrium and theEQorange too.

    Yep, nope, sorry. :winker:

    On the one hand you're right. Especially theEQorange is meant to be a mastering EQ and should therefore be used on a complete song.
    On the other hand a complex content could be too distracting from small details and I thought just three naked sounds could give useful information about their dynamic, phase and frequency response.

    And hopefully you never have to boost any frequency by 6dB while mastering.
     
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    Very funny.. hahaha. Don't be a dick!!! You know what I meant fluffy old fartiger :rofl:
     
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  4. No Avenger

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    Done. Do you think this really helps?
     
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  5. dolphinhero6969

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    Listening again (& to the new track), my order of preference now is 3, 2, 1, 4.
    Although I think I would be pretty okay with any of these EQs, adjusting curves as necessary, except for 4 which seems to do a weird thing with the depth. 3 seems to sound the deepest to me, but I'm not sure how much of that is the way the EQ handles depth & transients vs. the actual curves themselves (bigger / louder low end usually means the track itself feels 'deeper').
     
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  6. shankar

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    I pass and let the others try :suicide:

    For me, the tracks are too long, too rich and I can't choose which Eq is my favorite :crazy:

    Yesterday was much easier.
    I had to focus on 3 or 4 elements to make my choice.
    The bottom band, the top band, the transients ... and my decision was much easier, obvious and fast.

    With this new song, at some point I prefer the 3rd EQ like yesterday, but on others, I really like the 4th which will boost the brass and give more energy.
    Anyway, with this test or even that of yesterday, I am unable to know who is who.
    I usually don't use any of these 4 Eqs.

    This proves to me one thing, an eq can be the best...
    but not for all situations !

    I learn a lot from you.
    Thank you again @No Avenger for this test and the others for all your comments :wink:
     
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  7. eXACT_Beats_

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    I gotta get back to you on this as I'm on the move all day and only have my earbuds, which, I think, may lose something in translation. :rofl:
    Nice EQ geek-ery, though. It's always interesting doing EQ/Compressor/etc. comaparisons; I just rarely have the time so, thanks. :wink:
     
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  8. shankar

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    Oops, I forgot to answer the main question.
    Who can identify the EQorange?

    Given that the EQorange is an EQ for super precise mastering and which costs 678 € :rofl:
    it should be super clean like the equilibrium... or more.
    So I would say:
    2 equilibrium
    3 EqOrange
    ... Or the opposite :facepalm:
     
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    Half of it is right - or the opposite. :woot: :rofl:
     
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    How did you do the matching?

    I would feed 2 EQs with FFT noise and then match them using multiband correlation meter and level-/bit-meter.

    greetings
    sinus
     
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    If you're measuring performance of EQ, # of filters doesn't matter that much for FFT since the same #bins is being processed anyway. You can draw bells easier in ReaFIR with points(smooth) mode.
     
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    Means, no matching. As I already said with only two EQs and a thourough test I probably would've done this. I neither made any pre-ringing analysis or compared different FFT sizes.

    I never heard of FFT noise.
     
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    Sure you have. 'FFT' is the noise you hear when it's time to go to the toilet.
     
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    Yep, that's true. But I didn't want to mess around with the specific slopes of low cut, bell and shelf. And if they were too different, it would've been audible and spoil the comparison. I could at least choose the same slopes and values for the other EQs
     
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    I'm not sure if I want that in my DAW.
     
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    Soooo.. are the results available? Or can you PM me? :) Very curious
     
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    Patience.
     
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  18. Herr Tony

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    No Avenger please share results and don't say TDR Nova is #2. :crazy:
     
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    @Herr Tony Are you sure you accounted for the original source being the first?
     
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  20. Herr Tony

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    Edit:
    Ok my FINAL guess goes like this:
    #0 ORIGINAL

    #1 TDR NOVA
    #2 Orange MAAT
    #3 DMG Equilibrium
    #4 DDMF LP10



    So far(Not final) for the nice audio track, it goes like this:
    #0 ORIGINAL

    #1 DMG
    #2 DDMF
    #3 TDR
    #4 Orange

    :crazy::crazy::crazy:
     
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