Which Sequencer do you guys use?

Discussion in 'DAW' started by suchenderxxx, Jun 18, 2011.

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Your choice

  1. Cubase / Nuendo

    16.7%
  2. Ableton

    25.8%
  3. FL Studio

    11.9%
  4. Reason

    1.7%
  5. Sonar

    6.2%
  6. Reaper

    7.9%
  7. Logic

    9.1%
  8. Pro Tools

    1.7%
  9. Other

    6.7%
  10. Presonus Studio

    12.4%
  1. 5teezo

    5teezo Audiosexual

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    I started with Protracker on my Amiga 600 :rofl:

    I still have it.
     
  2. Damien Green

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    Depends what I am doing. I prefer Ableton if I am doing electronic stuff, when the guitars come out its either cubase or studio one for me, usually studio one these days to be fair. I do also have other DAWs that I sometimes still go on for a change, Harrison mixbus, I bought the last paid version of Cakewalk although thats rarely ever used now, I have reason which is just fun to play with to me, so yeah I can totally understand people having many DAWs, they are cheap enough to have several. Also if you think you hear sound differences between DAWs that aren't harrison mixbus you are fooling yourself.
     
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  3. depijp_HSK

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    I use and love Logic to death, once upon a time I was gifted a MacBook Pro and I couldn’t install ‘Fruit Loops’ 7 (or so) back then so I got into Logic 8 or 9 and now stuck with it up until now. I’m not going to say it’s the best DAW, especially being along time user who has literally waited like 10 years for e.g. it’s sampler, the EXS24 was updated and now (finally) a sequencer is incorporated, I only miss FL studio’s Glide notes in the way they work in their piano roll, but other than that I believe Logic’s — at its current state got it all! Great MIDI editing (tools), great (BEST) stock library and plugins, proper audio editing, its so complete and goes as deep as you want to go. It has (almost) no limits and it’s really al round now. I’m surprised I didn’t see more Logic love. Especially since the last update, I feel like they incorporated most of the strong points of FL studio AND Ableton, what do you think? :)

    Ps I always tended to think (at least for trap music) FL studio has a ‘sound’ or it might be the accumulation of most producers in that genre using specific plugins which are key in it.

    My 2cents
     
  4. Damien Green

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    I've tried FL a few times and I've tried to like it, I just dont. Logic is a nice DAW though but it'll never match abletons workflow for EDM, for me at least. On DAWs having a sound, I'm sure if all you ever do is use stock sounds/plugins then every daw has "a sound" it has nothing to do with the sound engine though.
     
  5. Smoove Grooves

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    I'm going to say it is MY best DAW, especially being a longer term user since 1999.
    We also used to use Logic as the interface for Pro Tools back in the day.
    Apart from the stock plugins, perhaps the other reason for any 'sound' is that maybe a lot use the default timebase setting of 96 PPQN.
    The LM1 had a 48 PPQN resolution, and later Linn &/or Akai stuff had 96 PPQN.
     
  6. depijp_HSK

    depijp_HSK Member

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    can you elaborate on that PPQN thing? What is it?
     
  7. depijp_HSK

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    have you seen the clip based approach logic integrated? Made me think of ableton :)
     
  8. Xupito

    Xupito Audiosexual

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    Oh, brings memories. Cool Edit Pro and Goldwave were the first Windows sound editors I used. Shareware times.
    Wasn't Cool Edit Pro bought by a large company?
     
  9. depijp_HSK

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    Isn’t cool edit adobe audition now? I remember those ‘good old days’
     
  10. Smoove Grooves

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    Please just Google it.
    Really? PPQN?
     
  11. Xupito

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    Yeah, that's it. Adobe Audition :D
     
  12. tommyzai

    tommyzai Producer

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    If you are not mixing, all current DAWs sound about the same. As before mentioned, what goes in, comes out. HOWEVER, if you are processing beyond raw stems that is NOT the case. Each DAW does "color." For an extreme example, check out Harrison Mixbus . . . the mixing section adds it's own flavor.
     
  13. Smoove Grooves

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    Apart from taking into consideration stock plugs from each daw colouring the sound in some way, I'd say Harrison Mixbus is the ONLY daw that actually colours intentionally.
     
  14. Joe_sleaze

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    If 48ppqn is 4K, 96ppqn is 8K, capiche?
     
  15. Smoove Grooves

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    But it's not!
    Are you using the analogy of visual monitors to PPQN, though?
    Becuase only 960 PPQN would be 8K, with your analogy!
    24/48/96 are like SD video with your analogy.
     
  16. Slavestate

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    Mixbus was intentionally designed to "color" your sound. Its supposed to be a virtual Harrison console, it better have color or they've completely failed with their intent..

    I still wanna know about the actual poll. Did they want to know what sequencer or what DAW? Cause I use both, and my DAW is only used as a tape deck when everything else is finished doing its job..
     
  17. Smoove Grooves

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    Yeah.
    Look at the list of daws in the poll (which are all sequencers) and there is your answer.
    We are just sequencing audio, with MIDI, in a daw. Even if you use it as a tape recorder, there is still MIDI happening behind the scenes.
    @Slavestate Which hardware sequencer are you using? And which daw? I'm interested.
     
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  18. minozheros

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    going from 44.100 Samples/s to 96000 Samples/s will change something in my opinion depending on the bitrate at least. The quotient from 96000 / 44.100 is 2,176870748 which is not a whole number. there should be some differences as you will have to calculate the in between samples and if the results are dithered to a discrete value because you are using 16/24bit and not floating point numbers, it most certainly will matter. Just think about it like this.. if you go up 1 step between two samples with 44.100 you can't do that with 2.17 samples with 96khz because there is no 2.17th sample.. you either have the second or the third sample where you could end up being up 1 step so that does change something if you look at the resulting waveform. Or did i miss something ?
    If you should be able to hear the difference would be a totally different question though as the differences will be really small
     
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  19. Slavestate

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    MPC, another sampler, bunch of synths, 24 channel mixer, rack of hardware effects. Everything is run by the MPC, I dont even have my USB synths connected to the computer anymore, they're all plugged into a USB hub going into the MPC. Ive been using Logic since 4.5 Platinum came out so I just stick with that. Dont really use virtual instruments, or even edit audio with it much anymore. I just sync the MPC to Logic, record 24 channels from my mixer in, throw some plugins on it to mix and bounce it out.
     
  20. minozheros

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    I don't believe all DAWs sound the same in every circumstance.. I do understand the one wav example and that the rendered audio will be essentially the same as the audio you started with, but that is not really a complete answer to the question in my opinion. If you are using vsts and vstis or external plugins there will be a lot of parameters that will play into it, for example latency compensation which will essentially change the resulting audio if different channels are not 100% in phase. I know that ableton messes up the latency compensation sometimes although i don't know if it always happens to a lesser extent or if it is only an exception. I have had cases where the audio was up to 10ms off which is enough that you will spot it and correct it easily, but what about 1 or 2 or maybe 5 samples? it will change the resulting audio because of phasing issues but you won't be able to tell or spot it I guess but if it happens on a lot of different channels it might change the resulting audio in a way that it can be perceived, especially with the highest frequencies.
    Then there are differences in the time-streching and pitch-shifting algorithms that will change the sound as well and the codecs used to render the audio to mp3 or flac or whatever are not the same too.
     
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