I'm Bitwig fanboy. No other DAW's exists!

After using Cubase since 20 years and many projects, completely ignored Ableton, some hours with Fruity Loops/FL Studio and later Studio One i like the simplicity and the all-place-modulators of Bitwig.

 

I like the way Bitwig lets me add instrument plugins after generative plugins on the same track. It's becoming the first DAW I go to and I've used most of them over many years.

 

MY DAW IS BETTER THAN YOURS!!!

 

It doesn't matter which daw will take over the market cuz most people ignore learning any daw they try to use anyway ahaha.

 

It's not about what DAW I like or what I used. The market is a cruel thing and does not pay attention to personal interests and unbridled and burning passion for a particular DAW. The market works based on the majority of users using a product and their opinions about that product. If the majority of users use a particular product, unfortunately, other competitors will gradually become smaller and may face unforeseen risks, and not only the company will suffer, but also the users of that product will suffer. All these similarization and likening are to avoid the dangers of gradual shrinking and fading. Developers are interested in removing the competitor from the market, and if intelligent measures of similarization are not made or proceed slowly, the products will remain in stock and will not be bought.

 

Just blindly accumulating (missing) features is not the solution it might seem to be, because the workflow and user experience get muddled and easily become complex to the point of options or menu diving that does more harm than good. I think most DAW developers will over time cover some of the "weaknesses" and implement certain things that are considered more or less industry standard, but overall focus on its strengths, idiosyncrasies, and a specific section of the market. There can't be a universally "best" DAW, since there is a tradeoff between certain aspects - e.g. it can't be both streamlined an have a very optimized workflow and simultaneously be a "tabula rasa" DAW in terms of flexibility (such as Reaper).

Btw, you omitted Live and Reaper in your original post, but they are used a lot, the former obviously in more commercial pop or electronic productions, but also (both) in contemporary performance, of e.g. electroacoustic/acousmatic music or contemporary classical that involves electronic manipulations, due to good spatialization tools (for multichannel audio, etc.).

 

There is a common feature in the members of the Z generation and that is the lack of concentration. Z generation cannot focus on anything in particular and because of this, their learning often has many problems and is mostly incomplete. Somehow they are confused in this world. They really do not know what they want. They like to combine everything with everything. They think that if different ideas are combined, something better will be produced. This way of thinking is also reflected in their music. The Z generation cannot systematically work on a project. This lack of systematic view causes many weaknesses in their products. If the DAWs want to coordinate themselves with the opinions of the Z generation, they will have unfixable bugs in a short period of time.

 

It's nice to have several DAWs to choose from. Competition stimulates business and also leads to innovations and improvements that benefit the user. The price war between manufacturers fighting for the users' favor also benefits you as a user in the form of cheaper prices. Ultimately, everything got better and cheaper. In reality, it's all high-end and of the highest standard.

As my previous speakers have already stated, you can't determine which DAW people use at home, you can only estimate. It's not important who has the highest market share. That changes every day anyway, because new users come along and old users die off. Or people change DAWs. Variety instead of one size fits all.

 

whichever DAW that is able to easily integrate AI APIs & scripts and handle video,

that said I think Reaper is closest to meet those requirements,
ProTools is also close, but less stable with more bloat added

 

First there must be something then can be used later. If a tool is not updated or cannot meet the user's needs for some reasons, the same user who once loved a certain product will easily turn to another tool. You can't count on the love of a particular product for a long period of time. The market and the economy do not work on the basis of love. It survives on the basis of more profit. The food of the economy is profit. The more profit, the more food for the economy.
Synchronization of DAWs with other DAWs guarantees their survival of course only if the powerful players have left a place in the market for other players. At one time, Protools had this situation in the studios, but three companies were able to open a place for themselves with smart measures. These smart moves made them new competitors.
If synchronization and similarization is slow, the DAW that moves faster than the others will capture the economy and leave the rest of the DAWs behind.

 

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If a product is no longer in demand, it disappears from the market. Anyone is free to invent a product and offer it on the market. If it is good and you can use it or it provides added value, you will buy it.

Pro Tools was basically a monopoly at the time and new innovations, progress and inventions by some people/companies brought new products onto the market, they were tested and discussed and some people bought them, some then had two DAWs, some went from Pro Tools to Cubase etc.

Only those who constantly adapt to the new market situation and remain innovative will survive on the market. So support your favorite DAW, which you use every day, with cash and thus maintain jobs and enable continued support and progress. By the way, the company Cakewalk - Sonar DAW went bankrupt a few years ago. It was only bought by the company Gibson.

 

the marked isnt homogeneous + satus and nostalgia in form of this and that famous stuff was made with it plays also a role...
AI back or forth....
the marked isnt homogeneous ,throwing live and bitwig in the same pot like prolools,sequia and reaper is strange approach to me...
was passiert hier....ich cubase carbonat

 

Octa MED

 

ejay was the best. i finished full songs in 10 minutes back at the days with ejay. with the modern daws it took me weeks and months.

 

Gen Z here. While you are partially correct about the focus issues a lot of people from my generation face, I don't think it really has an effect you described on Gen Z music. I have found out that these issues usually don't apply as much to the sphere of a particular individual's interests (also that's how I operate, I can be obsessive about my music and I really enjoy doing it).

About DAWs. I use Logic. The reason I use Logic is because to me it is the most straightforward and well-designed DAW. I also happen to be a UX & UI designer, so this has an effect on my opinions of DAWs. And coincidentally, when I was little my parents gave me their phones with Garageband installed on them, so for me Logic feels second-nature now (guess Apple really played that long game with GB and younger generations lol).

Why does Gen Z rarely (or rather almost never) use Reaper? Well, just look at it. It looks like a work of a programmer, an audio engineer, not a designer or a musician. And, well, that's actually true: it was created by the same programmer who made WinAmp. Reaper is all about macros, jsfx, it has great licensing and pricing, but god damn is it bad ux.

Can someone explain to me why does reaper need to say [Stopped] when you pause it? Why??? can't people see that on the play/pause icon? And so many just unintuitive and not great UX decision, sometimes pointless just like this textual playback indicator. And no, most people aren't looking to customise the f* out of their software, install new themes, scripts - people just want their stuff to work.

Most of Gen Z don't want to use unintuitive software and I think that's a good thing. Back in the day, people had no choice than to use what was available, nowadays in a free market with a wide spectrum of options, why should people go for something complicated, which doesn't overall benefit their workflow? Complicated for the sake of being complicated is a no-go. That's the Gen Z approach. And especially the "but in my days we had it harder" line a lot of older generations say, that frankly doesn't matter. If you had it harder, doesn't mean newer generations should have it harder too. In fact, you kind of should work towards things being easier for newer generations. Otherwise, we would still be communicating via pigeon mail if didn't advance our civilisation and make things easier, more affordable, etc.

Personally, I don't vibe with FL either. I prefer the Logic/Ableton/Cubase/Studio One workflow. They all are pretty similar to me.

With FL specifically, I believe it's just word of mouth and marketing. A lot of Gen Z use social media (ofc lol), since you mostly see people using FL and Ableton, Gen Z will usually use exactly those pieces of software. Marketing is a really powerful thing. My non-producer acquaintances have heard of FL, no one knows about Logic, Reaper, Cubase or, especially, Pro Tools.

And finally, "This lack of systematic view causes many weaknesses in their products". Don't you think that the world right now is in a pretty weird spot? Gen Z has encountered first-hand how a lot of things they were told simply don't work in the ways they used to. From financial systems, to issues regarding politics. Most of us see right through it and ask ourselves why these things should remain the same? Of course, the answer is they shouldn't, in some cases.

Gen Z absolutely has some systematic problems with their attention spans, yet extrapolating this to music doesn't make sense to me. That sounds like the classic "the next generation is worse" trope. Older people were saying the same things about newer generations in Ancient Greece, ffs lol.

 

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Yep. For sure. Especially Studio One. I remember back in 1995... oh wait. S1 was not a thing back then. Must have been 2005 then? Fek not even then. But hey since 2009-2010 it has been a mainstay with serious creators that need a midi list editor and... Oh wait. It doesn't have this. But hey they got notation. In ~2020.
Just a reminder, before you have thoroughly examined what the "industry" uses in actually serious projects, please don't come up with assumptions. The music industry's pro populace is not your monolithic MS Office users. We may use all sorts of DAWs always depending on the situation because each have their strengths and weaknesses. I was thinking in expanding on these here but it's pointless, we 've done it all before here and everywhere actually and after sometime it becomes tedious.
I will though note here that serious projects are mainly the demanding ones. Projects like typical pop/rock/hiphop/rnb/dance etc are not DAW demanding, only skill demanding hehe. Anything you can mix in a few hours no matter how serious it may be musically or how famous the artist may be, is not demanding.
Cheers

 

Anyone with an internet connection can use the search engine and download all DAWs as a trial version and then see how they get on. Anyone who can read has a clear advantage. Many young people are simply unsure and look at what others are doing and then copy them.

 

Yep, you are definitely not wrong about that. One issue that is true for my generation (and to be honest, any generation) is that people don't want to do their own research. Some people don't have the time, others lack interest to do it, but everyone just wants to "fit in", so they do/agree with whatever is deemed cool, which IMO is understandable, but doesn't always work well for said person.

 

Yes, man, you analyzed that very well. Some people are lazy thinkers and some are too stupid, but young people today often get older and gain more experience and then have different priorities in life. Some say young people are stupid per se, but I think there are always talented people who get creative with the DAW at an early age and then help shape the upcoming charts.

It's better for them to hang out in front of the PC/laptop with FL Studio and make music than for them to do stupid things on the street. You should be very lenient towards young people.