Since I arrived here I always appreciated speaking with you about things we perceived differently .
Thank you my kind friend .
A true intellectual.

 

Same thing here my friend.
It's funny but despite the fact that we share different views as to why, I absolutely think that what you do on the forum is golden.
Almost like a public service.
Thanks again for your contributions MMJ.

 

Yes, I believe which ever criteria you set the patterns exist in it .
Whether 12 equal tones or
12 ratios , or 37 equal tones , or 24 rations.
It's a infinite number of systems you could set criteria .
I choose 12 tone et.
For a number of reasons .
The first being enough of a difference between each note .
Next is the equal spacing means each note can have a major key and a minor key .
And lastly this system is pretty well known about a shared set criteria so to speak .

 

However when it comes to rhythm , I accept all from a parts of the world .
Every division of time.
Polymeter, polyrhythm
And stacking tempos .
Then apply that to 12 tone et.
I believe music must contain

Harmony
Rhythm
Melody

Or it's incomplete " lesser than "

So like billboard charts is a joke to me .
( Although not cuz of it's sounds or what it contains
But it's a joke because of what it is missing .)
Rock , metal ( which I spent years with )
Hip-hop edm.
Their sounds are good .
( What they do contain is good )
But it's what their missing makes it feel like a joke to me.
Music as a category comes across to me as 2 category's
1.popular
2.professional.

Pop is like metal rock edm rap et .
Made with timbre and rhythm and sometimes melody buy harmony is not there ( cement foundation )

These are pop ( make money with lazily)
The goal is stuff pockets bang as many hoojers until your doing ding falls off

Essence is
The person cares about their caricature of music , not music for it's its own sake .

Professional music category
Like classical chamber jazz and other styles that
You are a student of music and you improvise and you learn a lifetime .
This is about not your caricature of music.
But you care about music itself , you judge music it's it's own merit not stardom and banging clowns in a clown car with golden hubcaps.

 

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For example I am working on a project right now
( A long term one at that )
It's 5aking the sounds of metal , the instruments the timbres , using jazz as the foundation and classical chamber music as the arrangement
( I mean in general )
I have 7 guitarists, 5 singers, bass,2 drummers , keyboards for the individuals right now.
There is a specific storyline the music outlines .
It will be combining musical elements with graphics . It's only going to be for the largest stages .

(Imagine 7 sep layers of heavy guitar adding up to be 7 note chords ) palm muted 7 note Voicings covering range if human hearing and 5 note vocal harmonies

There's other projects I'm working on that takes jazz applies it to synthetic sounds and chamber music qualities with subsonic bass synthetic timbres.
Basically the idea is " if EDM became a true real actual music with meaning and value ."

You can take music theory and make anything out if it with any timbre textures .
It's easy to make brand new styles if you understand
How all that works.
The question is " what can you create that could potentially stand the test of time?"
Well my question to myself anyway .

 

"atonal and dissonant systems that have no basis in human hearing"

then how do we hear them and attach an emotion to them? like, why do they create an emotional response if they have no basis in human hearing? what kind of sound that is in our hearing frequency has no basis in human hearing?

"are considered as sounding "bad" --> you only confirm a simple fact that I was talking about: The fact that theory of music is the theory of the human auditory system, be it a study of "good" sounds or "bad" sounds. It's the brain that attaches those labels to the sound and the theory explains the rules around that.

You say my number 1 and 2 are wrong but sorry, they are not right or wrong. They are facts.

 

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As much as I appreciate your effort to fill this forum with jazz theory, you make completely zero sense when you claim that simple music has no meaning or value. You are delusional. There are two chord songs that will stand the test of time much longer than your 7 seperate layers of heavy guitar adding up to 7 note chords. Because that's not what music is. Music theory does not help you create good music if you're using it only for masturbating just for the sake of it.

 

" if EDM became a true real actual music with meaning and value ."

True, like who the hell doesn't wanna dance to major 13th chords at 135 bpm?

 

I don't follow my friend.
I don't remember saying that simple music has no meaning or value .
Did I?
You are creating a straw man in your imagination .
Then beating what you created.
I cannot follow anything you are saying.
You have this huge backstory for each sentence,
Then you talk to me as if I'm inside your thoughts with you.( Knowing what you mean by each sentence .)

PS
It's usually a bad idea to yell out the word " delusional " in the mist of an imaginery storytelling .


Music is

1.harmony
2.rhythm
3.melody

.....why what did you think it was? Lol



Oh, and list out the " 2 chord" songs
That have stood the test of time.
Just make a comment box listing them all.....out.

 

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Why fighting when:
7 > 5

 

Usually you dance to the rhythm component right?
The harmonic component is the music cement foundation , it has no impact on what would make you dance or not.

Why do I get the feeling your comments are rhetorical?........

Usually a bad idea to tell a person
" That's not music"
Then subsequently let it slip that you thought the harmonic component of music is what people do or don't dance to . Oops

 

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...and when E= Deez nuts / pie

 

MMJ2017, there is a poll on the front page of the sister site that shows 97% of audioz members have no interest in jazz. I think it's safe to say jazz is your favorite style of musical theory, so my question is why are you on a mission to "enlighten" us when you could be on any number of jazz sites, enjoying these discussions with like minded people?

 

You can tell by my username when I joined here and then you can look at my reception .
I haven't added up my total number of views from all my threads I have created that related to your question but it's in the hundreds of thousands .
Out of that number I talk directly to a high number of people give them information share things discuss things . I've gotten incredible amount of support . Look at my " stats" so to speak.
So just to look at that public information I guess answers your question.
Now if we ask the same thing about yourself .
Why are you here?
Given all the places you could be?
What do you do here again?
How has audiosex been effected by your presence?

 

Wow. Wasn't expecting such an aggressive answer to a simple question. Perhaps your hostility is why you may not be welcomed by fellow jazz enthusiasts?

 

Well, your reply was just self-contradicting
You said, "atonal and dissonant systems that have no basis in human hearing"
I say,"How do we know they are atonal or dissident, if they have no "basis" in human hearing?"
Of course they have basis. The first and most important basis of anything in hearing is to hear what is atonal and dissonant...
the baby scream, the female scream, the warning of other animals, the sounds of danger.
Now you can say it has nothing to do with music, but certainly they DO have to do with hearing, as you used "contemporary film music language" used in horror movies as an example of when music that does not sound good sometimes still can "work with the human auditory system".

Emotions? Well, music and emotions have more to do with each other than theory has to do with either.
Theory is intellectual analysis and interpretation ABOUT music, and emotions, and physics, etc.
Theory does not engage, but stands outside watching and guessing how it feels, how it sounds, how it works...
If the theory guesses correctly, as with science, it can make predictions.
So, good theory can make good music (or at least HELP).

 

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What do you mean by aggressive ?
I literally just described when I came and what happened when I got here invited you to look at this whole thing I just described what took place .
I thought that's what you were asking about ?
I talked about those things because that information is the answer to what you asked .
Then I just asked you the same questions about why you are here and what you've done how's it's been received etc .
I don't know what you mean by " aggressive"
And I don't know what you mean by " simple question "
I thought you may want a factual answer .
And the true answer involves what I discussed .
Next when we moved on to part 2
I asked you questions in the same categories as your questions. Except from your point of view .
I don't feel any aggression .I feel like we just started talking .

What do you mean by not welcomed by jazz enthusiast ?
I don't follow my friend.
Is your impression that I am
" Not welcomed " by a lot of people here?

Did you think I was calling you names or something ?

I'm trying describe to you the events of me getting here and what happened leading up to today.
Because had it gone differently I wouldn't be here .
But on the top menu bar you can look up users and get stats about them search for their threads see what they've done.
My username is MMJ2017 because I got here 2017 that's what I meant by that .
I started making threads in 2017 getting thousands of views when I created a new thread the staff here and the users here talk with them discuss with them .
So I stayed and then continued make threads.
My most recent thread on jazz theory is pretty new 8 thousand views on short time.
So my comment is not trying be aggressive ,
I'm pointing out that your initial question ,
The answer is embedded in all these events.
If a came here created thread got 50 views and nothing happening no good convos no interested I would have left.

 

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I mean:





All fightings are on those nasty black keys.

 

You either diverted attention away from my question or you display genuine cognitive dissonance. The question is simple and important. Why do you care if we learn anything about jazz theory from you? Or indeed, anybody.

 

I don't know how much you know about the last 3 years of events of audiosex the place that you are at right now talking to me .
If you just joined then there is a large chance you not aware of really anything that has taken place here or in this community.
However the answer to your question is directly tied to all this .
But even more importantly ,
Just research me search by user look at my stats and threads and public convos.
Because that will answer your question .
It seems like your asking a question but you don't want the actual answer to it.
For example
If I ask you the simple question .
Why are hanging out with the current group 9f friends in your life ?
Oh it's a simple question .
The actual answer ties into the real people and environment , and the events taken place surrounding things .

And when you ask

" Why do you care why we ...."

Your account says 1 day old right ?

Your including yourself into a situation that began 3 years ago when I got here .