What's the "wrong note" in any context and how to avoid that?

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  1. ICWC

    ICWC Ultrasonic

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    A very simple question and waiting for the scientists' answers.:guru::bow:
     
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  3. Baxter

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    It's any note outside of the modal key you are in. Until you modulate.

    But then again, if you are in free form, there are no wrong notes.
     
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  4. Lou Ulfark

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    "There are no wrong notes; some are just more right than others." — Thelonious Monk

    "If you hit a wrong note, it's the next note that you play that determines if it's good or bad." — Miles Davis

     
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  5. Willum

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    I'm a musician not a scientist, i just play what sounds good.
     
  6. Backtired

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    You need to use this bassline: vi IV I V
    Then every note sounds good on top of it ;)
     
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  7. WeRAllFosterChildren

    WeRAllFosterChildren Producer

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    Doesn't matter - if I play fast enough they can't get the cuffs onto me.
     
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  8. m9cao

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    there are no 'wrong note' such thing exist, but only the 'wrong context', do not avoid it and making everything reasonable and useable
     
  9. Fudsey Plange

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    The ones that make people do this.

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    Music is a democracy not a religion.
     
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    What do you mean by "wrong note"?

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    Dude, definitions are EVERYTHING!
     
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  11. Olymoon

    Olymoon Impossible is not a fact. It is an opinion. Staff Member

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    All off topics comments cleared: Advice to anyone not interested in this topic: PASS YOUR WAY.
     
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  12. Seedz

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    For me its usually the second note
     
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    Obviously there are no wrong notes. Depending of the genre and the chord progression used, notes can be used/played as "main" notes, and other notes will be used as "passing" or "driving to" notes. Not to speak about the huge difference between one note and it's octaves low or up.
    a simple minor 7th note will be perceived very differently if it's played right up the tonic or several octaves up or down.

    Add the coherence sensation that's is related to insistence and repetition, and you'll hear that every notes can be played on every thing.

    In this quite simple song the keyboardist chose to mix a very unusual scale to to a very "normal" one do his solo, well the scale in itself is not so unusual, but played in this tonality on these chords sounds at least unusual at the beginning, but while seconds pass it seems that we get into it, and it does not seems so "strange". That what I mean by insistence and repetition.

    time is 1:11:10

     
  14. Andrew

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    Any note, whose carrier frequency is not mathematically or linearly correlated to the context and/or disregarding Nyquist theorem (such as adding fixed value of cycles to base note).
    At least that's about as far as my uneducated opinion goes. :dunno:
     
  15. 23322332

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    In late romantic music you can find very complex chromatic melodies - you won't hear such thing today outside of love scene or "dark orchestral parts" in some older movies.
    Try Tchaikovsky, he is probably the most popular melodist.
    In a simple pop/rock/hip/electronic compositions you will very rarely find any chromatic notes. They are probably not needed at all, if you need a simple mood.
     
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    Then again, this Fadd9 became one of the iconic wrong chords of all time:



    Does that make it right?
     
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  17. BaSsDuDe

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    EASY

    Does it sound good to the person that wrote it or played it?
    No? - Then it's probably wrong.
    If a person is speaking of the audience, then that enters into the realm of people pleasing, not creativity and not what is right or wrong in notes. a developed ear hears differently.. If anyone goes to an improvisation concert, they are not going to see The Foo Fighters. The notes to the audience in each concert will probably sound right. Swap the audiences in a mismatch and it all changes.
     
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  18. ICWC

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    Thank you guys, I love you!!!:hug:
     
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