What's the most complicated music you've ever heard?

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  1. foster911

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    Lots of categorizations exist about the genres, moods, etc. but let's devote this thread to the complexity?

    This idea would seem silly but if you look at the most contempts and humiliations by most listeners, perhaps they think in this way that it's a simple and cheesy tune and isn't worth even listening till the end. Some specific genre lovers belittle other genres for their non-complexity and adduce allegations and evidences that everyone can make it.

    What's the most complicated music you've ever heard and why do you think that way (as the above paragraph)? You think that you can't produce like that or what?

    And as usual thanks a lot!:mates:
     
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    No trolling my friend, but yours!

    Most of the times I think my english is ok'ish, but sometimes, reading some of your comments, I'm unsure what you're trying to say.
    Same to your music. I really don't know what you're trying to achieve and what your intentions are. I admit that I'm maybe not always be open minded enough. But yeah, we all know that music is such a subjective thing!


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  4. foster911

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    Yes I agree and this thread is exactly for the subjectivity. What do we interpret the complicated music in our subjective minds?

    Would you please post one of the most complicated music you've ever heard that you loved it a lot but you thought it's so complicated for you to create and had been in your wish-list to make such thing in the far future after you acquired all the required techniques?
     
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    Ligeti Lux Aeterna.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux_Aeterna_(Ligeti) ligeti.jpg

    Also all the works of Schoenberg and his followers.

    What? Produce music like that??? No way, it needs decades of study, dedication and talent! There is also no point of repeating this kind of stuff. Let's have some fun with Maschine Studio instead!
     
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    Ok, I see. Nothing comes to my mind immediatly, I have to dig a bit.
     
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    i really love to do something from any Jean-Michel Jarre song
    using old vintage synths and machines...that would be my dream
    you just need to listen these crazy sounds


    enjoy jarre
     
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    I would go with a cliche pick like Chopin, but I am only a mediocre piano/keyboard player, so there are plenty of pianist better than me. That being said, I'll name a few who are people who I think are not only way beyond my above-average skills in other areas of music, but create music that is not just technical for the sake of technicality.
    The first is Jason Becker; this guy is one of the few shredders who actually has music with a lot of feel to it. As much as Yngwie Malmsteen or Michael Angelo Batio are brilliant, a lot of their stuff is purely just shredding scales. Jason Becker always seemed to have the touch of a classically trained player, selecting notes that lend a unique vybe to his pieces.
    This one might not fall into pure technical prowess, but I have to add J Dilla to the list. Besides playing multiple instruments fluently, his arrangements and selections put him in a whole different category than most people. While many (not all,) beatmakers/producers take samples and make what they can with them, Dilla seemed to actively seek out cuts that would complete some musical puzzle that he heard in his head.
    Another guitarist who makes the list is Al Di Meola. If you haven't heard "Ciello e Terra," possibly his most accessable album, take a listen to it (or any of his albums,) and you'll see why. You don't have to like Jazz to be able to get into his stuff.
    I have to add in a couple of my favorite Bass players to round things out, Steve Harris, Victor Wooten and Alex Webster. If you think the last two are The Odd Couple because of their musical backgrounds (Alex Webster is from Cannibal Corpse,) check out their Berkley Jam with Steve Bailey; good stuff.
    I could add a million drummers to the list, at least, enough to fill a small library, anyway--Bill Ward (Black Sabbath,) Gene Hoglan (Death, Testament,) John Bonham (Led Zepplin,) Thomas Stauch (Blind Guardian,) Romain Goulon (Necrophagist,) Mick Fleetwood (Fleetwood Mac) and so on and so forth.
    So, those are some of the people I consider technically complex, at least so much so that I have difficulty playing their stuff....or, at least, playing it with the fluency and flavor that they play it with.
    As a side note--over the years I've found that the way to find new (well, new to me,) musicians in general, many who are ridiculously talented, is by looking at the gun-for-hire musicians that some of my favorite musicians pick up as their backing band for albums or tours, some of them being Tom Waits, Erik Jackson and, I know it is an obvious pick, but anyone who was associated with The Great Frank Zappa, especially drummer, Terry Bozio (or, though not a drummer, Steve Vai.) Great musicians tend to draw other great musicians.

    So, I there's that. I tried to refrain from writing a short novel, but.... :bow:
    I'll be curious to see who other people toss on the list. :yes:
     
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    As mentioned above: The great Jason Becker in his old band Cacophany with Marty Friedman who would later go on to play with Megadeth.
    This is song is ridiculously difficult to play all the way through fluently....

     
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    Did a google , found this , ouch !
    Go direct to 2'20 to see the score with the 4 instruments .
     
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    Pink Noise.
     
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    This is the original song, above.

    While it's deceptively simple, there's a lot of hidden complexity only uncovered when you try to reproduce it.
    • The lead whistle synth thing has many kinds of articulation throughout the song
    • Counterpoint throughout the piece (I hope i've used this term correctly), usually at least 2 inter dependant melodies at any one time
    • Bass has 1/16th notes
    • Lots of auxiliary percussion has accents
    • The usual hard-to-notate guitar strums & strong chords

    Verse 1
    • Did you notice the glock doubling the melody?
    • Did you notice the guitar playing a sort of bassline?

    Chorus
    Drum has tricky 1/16th rhythms & accidentals

    Bridge part 2 (2:45)
    • With at least 10 instruments playing
    • there's counterpoint between three of piano, guitar, and the horn or harp at any one time,
    • melody doubled on the violin
    • with a bit of dabbling by the arpeggios
    • supported by the bass, timpani, drums, and auxiliary percussion.
    • Did you notice the tapping on the guitar?

    I covered this song. This, My biggest (cover) project is at 37 tracks & 239 clips. While I could've used ~10 less tracks, I need those buses for surround effects.
     
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    Rachmaninov is probably the most complex works ever made .
     
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    Tennyson, a brother and sister act from Canada

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    I'm so impressed by them, at the age of 12 they already did 2 jazz albums
    one of the most complicated setups and ways to make music i have ever seen.
    just thinking about how they do it, gives me a headache :rofl:

    hard to define but its a combination of jazz and electronica
    its something refreshingly new and i absolutely love it

    they talk a lot about the setup, music starts at 32:50
     
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    Free to create music unbound from human performers - Conlon Nancarrow

     
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    The most complicated music I have heard is any super proficient guitar shredder that nonstop shreds up and down and back again endlessly. I appreciate that to do this requires intensive practice, memory and a great amount of coordination, but I personally don't hear music when it is played. I am not knocking shredders, I'm just saying that if I looped a MIDI file of any song at 800BPM it wouldn't necessarily make it sound better, just more complicated in my opinion.
     
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