What's the best way to backup/clone a PC ?

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  2. F.L.O.W.

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    A bootable clone doesn't...
    Hmmm. Not so for me.
    Are you saying that installing a fresh system creates a new MAC ID?
    Never happened to me, so I was under the impression that the MAC ID is hard-written to the hardware, above any system stuff.
     
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    I don't know about W10/11..
    But iirc, in my experience W7 doesn't like being moved around too much,
    the moment you have a different Mobo it will refuse to load.

    So I don't know how well will things move from a Laptop to a PC.
    But given the different nature of the computers I would just make a new installation for the PC and that's it.

    And it's good as it will help you eliminate unnecessary clutter,
    in the end there's only so much software/plugs one really needs/uses frequently.. :yes:


    As for backing up, I'm more of a disk cloner..
    I will simply use Western Digital's own Acronis TI version and that's it.

    When I need more control over the Partitions, or do more than one task at a time,
    Partition Master seems to work well enough..


    I haven't tried O&O Disk Image thing,
    but I think O&O makes great/safe software for the most part.. at least the Defragmenter is tops :wink:
     
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    "image" or "clone"

    I wrote it that way because people often seem to care about splitting hairs. I think we all know the difference between a snapshot and a bootable snapshot. Sometimes companies just interchange terms too.

    it's the same questions. What is the easiest way to put all my old junk on a new DAW computer? Do I really want to? My answer would be No. this is where having an AN account is great. :)
     
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    Different MOBO, different MAC ID.
    Whereas a bootable clone with the same MOBO is fine.
    Laptop is a PC. All computers are personal computers as such.
    You mean tower or desktop.
    If it's an image, it should be fine.
    But of course the MAC ID will be different...
     
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    Macrium Reflect it's the way to go. There's even a free edition.
     
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    I dont work for Acronis, but i use it the half of my life :D
    Backupped and restored so many Pcs. Privat and in my job

    It has acronis universal restore. With the bootabale image you can restore it on different hardware because the new drivers can be implemented in the restore process.

    Anyway you will loose you activations. Thats right, because of the new machine ID. (corrected)
    For this point you will need you licenses, keys or "activators"

    For me i have a good feeling with acronis and never had problems.

    Personally you have to try a backup solution which fits you :)

    PS: Earlyer i tried the recover scanario.
    So i backed up my system and restored it on another ssd to see, that the backup worked.
     
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    The fact you used a capital h like it's a thing might confuse youngers or newbs when trying to find their ID for some cracks, when it is called MAC ID on both platforms.
    MAChine ID.
    For anyone new to computers, just saying.
     
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    Yes you are right :) my mistake
    It is the Machine ID or Computer ID.

    Thanks
     
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    A backup software is "always" a customer's choice, some will go with ease of setting things up, some will prefer compression algorithms and different ways to backup (offline on an external drive or online with a FTP or Cloud service provider).

    I do use Rescuezilla which is included in the Medicat USB key which is a free and up-to-date project (compared to Gandalf PE or Hiren's Boot CD). I boot it off in the BIOS and then backup my NVME from there. It's my personal preference though. It's a GUI, graphical approach to Clonezilla which is CLI only so again i find it adds a "modern" touch on UEFI systems.

    Not booting off the "main" drive where Windows is installed, adds an extra layer of security i find.
    This is also a solution used by Acronis or Macrium (which i know well) where you can boot off their custom Windows PE (which is a slimmed down version of Windows used to install Windows or troubleshoot various computers).

    With online backups, there are tons of solutions: Backblaze or common Drive solutions (Dropbox,GDrive) could do the trick as well.

    Rescuezilla
    Medicat USB thread on GBA Temp
    Backblaze
     
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    thank you, i always wondered about this because i always thought it has something to do with apple only.
    (i knew you probably didn't mean serial numbers of big mac burgers :rofl:)
     
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    Imagine you are sitting at your computer and the screen is frozen because you are infected with ransomware. No mouse click possible. Now you take the emergency start disc and restore your entire system. If your backup does not work, you will be annoyed that you did not back up your data correctly, so burn the most important files on CD - DvD or BluRay. You can also upload non-personal files to https://mega.io/start, there is 20 GB of free storage space.
     
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    Remember to scan your drive with an antivirus engine (if you do take risks on the Web otherwise common sense is a great antivirus too) in order to ensure your backup is clean.
    You could boot off an USB key Kaspersky Rescue Disk or Dr Web LiveDisk.

    Although, there is an issue with Kaspersky boot on modern systems with Ventoy (which is needed to boot Medicat), you have to go into GRUB2 prompt and type in "set check_signatures=no" ; then you could proceed with the boot process.
    Here is a link to the Github thread where a user exposed this issue : https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/issues/65
     

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    Just MAC ID. That is what you will find stated in your OS.
    As I did too at first, which is why I reckon that others may still do.
    Glad I dispelled that for you!
    I have a Big Mac with serial # 1000073, which I believe is from the late 70s, and it looks as good as it did back then. If you're interested.
    But it's CV to gate, so you'd have to retrofit the MIDI.
     
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    by the way, how would you do this if your main drive were encrypted?
     
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    Booting off the BIOS should prevent the Ransomware to access the USB key and encrypt its content. Also booting off a PE to run various decrypters could work (if the ransomware key encryption algo has been decrypted otherwise you are done).
    But I have never run into this problem so I might be wrong!!
     
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    Then I take my emergency boot disc and restore my system.
    I have a full backup of hard drive C. / on a second hard drive. I use "O&O DiskImage Professional".
     
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    Uh thank you but I meant, how do you backup your drives if you encrypted them yourselves?
    Do you always decrypt and then backup, and do you have to do the same when restoring?
     
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    on windows, I always kept a base installer with everything from windows to plugins with big installers like Waves already done.
    you can save a lot of time

    you have to unlock the drive first, or whatever you are using is a poor security product.
     
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    It will make an exact image of your encrypted drive.
    Like a Xerox machine.
    Oh, wait...
     
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