What the Fuck happened to Hip-Hop? ( Watch this, very good )

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  1. Zealious

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  3. Daskeladden

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    I hate preaching. By the way who are WE? Speak for yourself
     
  4. Talmi

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    Interesting video, the guy makes some good points, although it's not really news.
    Ironicaly 2Pac before his Death Row deal to get out of jail was having the same kind of thinking, both in his interviews and his rap. He was always against the police brutality in his beginning, but also against gangs, spoke against drug dealing in the ghetto, defended women against violence, abondonnement (young mothers being left to be a single mom), etc.
    Globaly it's true, the whole thing went a bit to hell. A few things though. Hip hop, specially independant one, or underground call it whatever, still has a strong tradition of reflexive rap, still put poetry at heart of their creation. A few main stream artists are also way above what's describe here, it's not what dominates but there are still a lot of great artists (K.Lamar being one of those, there are others)...
    Finally the whole fluffy clothes attack angle while being true isn't specific to hip hop. The fascination for money, nice cars, pool houses and pool parties, designer cloth...well just watch any video from any average pop entertainer from T.Swift to J.Bieber, and you'll pretty much get the same picture. Those suckers too like to act like bad boys. It's a thing among the young and riches
     
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    That edgy "underground" hip hop trap style with outrageous lyrics and artists who are getting killed at an alarming rate is the result of the continued trend that helped hip hop thrive until today. The lyrics in "rapper's delight" actually were considered to be as edgy and outrageous as today's hip hop. IMO DMC misunderstands the driving force that gives Hip hop it's appeal, and if he thinks his lyrics encouraging kids to go to college was what made RUN DMC have any impact would seem all the more out of touch. Tekashi for example, raps about outrageous gangster shit using currently trending buzzwords and an exciting vocal tone which people like to have in the background as they party and try to look cool. the aggressive lyrics need to be way more outrageous then anything before for him to reach his level of success, otherwise he actually sounds like a cheap ThreeSixMafia rendition (which had set the bar for his sound 20 years ago). The more socially conscious hip hop mentioned in the vid was propped by the mechanics of the profitable record industry at the time and the fact that Hip Hop gave urban Afro Americans a voice using the same type of aggressive tone that resonates currently. Hip hop is still as dynamic as before, it just became more marketable to non Afro Americans and current markets. I had to edit this 3 times, I'm never going to write this much again:bow: :bow:
     
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    (edit: I assumed It was one of 6ix9ine music videos because of the thumbnail. thats the rapper im talking below, not DMC of course.. learned my lesson, imust watch the videos first before commenting lol )

    the most incredible thing is this guy in special is very conscious about society and extremely occupied with social issues in his community, incredible right?

    to me he was a nightmare when I first heard him, until I heard him talk about the amount of rage he carries inside and the levels of despair the hell on earth of poverty and total hopelessness in his community, 2018 usa

    and that is what surprises me the most that often, (and I mean often definitely not always) these "artists" are far more clever than they show in their music but the so called market in the u.s is so totally destroyed and spiritually corrupted by money that it has corrupted the whole infrastructure and people with real social or intelligent art is simply not welcomed, not in music, not in movies not anywhere

    guns, consumption, warmongering, killing, money, porn and drugs though are totally welcomed, just dont talk against war or about social issues in a political way.
     
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    and then theres afrika bambataa talking about midiclorians in space...
     
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    Agreed, but the fact remains that very few people other than underground (or "Classic,") Hip Hop artists are touching on this.

    Haha, I'm glad someonbe other than me gave a "dafuq'?" when he said that bit about his college raps impact on people. :hahaha:


    Sadly, but the number of artists who are trying to make people realize that there are solid alternatives to the plethora of plastic, reactionary music that is being shoved down peoples throats as what "Hip Hop" is is growing, even if it's just showcasing conscience MCs.


    Whenever someone uses "we" in a sentence you assume that you're included? And I thought my ego was large.... :rofl:


    I could write a goddamn novel on this topic, but I'll just hit this one bit....
    What these kids are mumbling about nowadays, promoting gun violence, drug use and all that shit obviously isn't anything new, but at the same time a lot (not all,) of the rappers who came before the artists in the last ten-plus yrs who were throwing out similar lyrics were people who carried a gun or had shot someone (or claimed to have,) because they grew up in a fucked off area; and the same applies for rhyming about drugs or dealing--if that was what was going on around them or the only way that they could try and come up (there are numerous ways to end up in that situation; trust me,) it makes sense that it was something that they decided should be spoken about. The difference is that a lot of these kids nowadays are rapping about shit that they know nothing about, whether because they feel that they have to if they want to get noticed or be taken seriously--which is funny to me since more than a few Trap....mumblers, have actually straight said that they don't drink lean, let alone shoot, guns or do any hard drugs like they claim in their lyrics and that their fans "....sll know that it's all bullshit"--or, often times, because they are literally *instructed to rap about/promote those topics by their labels. Numerous Hip Hop and Trap artists artists have explained in great detail how they were either told what to do and say and how to act or have had some PR assholes try to rebrand them so they would sell more records (and saying "no" isn't really an option since their mandatory compliance in matters like that are shoved into their contract in some form or another.) Maybe the most well-documented era of this was in the early 90's when a lot of Hip Hop artists and groups were suddenly expected to look, act and spit "hard" after artists like Wu-Tang, Mobb Deep and, of course, N.W.A basically showcased the rough environments that they grew up in.
    I do find it funny that a lot of people who act like The Last Guardians of Hip Hop (I mean, I'm, by some standards, "Old School," because I remember when Kanye's first album came out, but I mean Ancient School,) pretend that Hip Hop was some utopia back in the late 70s and early 80s, with none of the ego, flaunting of wealth, violence ot conflicted morals that is now "....where Hip Hop has ended up." Anyone who is an Old School artist and is actually being real will readily admit that all of that has always been a part of Hip Hop, it may be worse now but it has always been there to some degree; the issue is that to many modern rappers think that that is the sole reason to pursue Hip Hop.
    The fact that he made it sound like people always have an optionI *not to carry a weapon or profit off of drugs is what bothers me the most, as though putting down your gun after a rapper gets shot will mean that everyone else will put theirs down as well; it reeks of a purist who has somehow removed himself from the reality of what has been an intrinsic part of Hip Hop, for better or worse, since the beginning due to its place of its birth, as well as where it often thrives.
    I could continue, but....yeah, no need for a novel. :no:
     
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    Hip Hop and Rap are two VERY different things.
    There's a reason why the stuff that's out right now is in the forefront and it's pretty easy to explain.....
    Destroy the Culture,Destroy the People.
     
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    I don't see how sixty nine (or whatever his name is) is any worse than all the ridiculous Rap that's popular for the last 20 years, with their ego trips and singing about being in gangs and shooting people and fucking bitches.
     
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    Well since your pov is obviously uninformed and bias, your opinion is - as usual - irrelevant.
    Great input killer :wink:
     
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    in a way 69 was used in context of everything that happens in the background related to a lot of (gangsta rap,rap,trap,drill..even uk grime)

    to break it down by way of urban dictionary

    TreyWay is a term tekashi69 uses to shout out his manager but more importantly the Nine Trey Gangstas. The Nine Trey(meaning 93 or 1993 the year they formed in Rikers Island) are a United Blood Nation set.

    the interesting thing is treyway the gang and tr3way the label are two separate entities that affiliate with eachother unofficially


    30 Members and Associates of the “Nine Trey Gangster Blood” Gang Federally Indicted
    http://archive.fo/nASzr#selection-1053.0-1053.83

    artists like migos, chief keef , etc

     
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    Spot-on video.
     
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    When I was about three years old I kept hearing the adults talking with great concern that "The Schwarzers" were moving into the building, and although I had no idea what a "Schwarzer" was, felt it worthy of concern if for no other reason than to act like the adults, to show my maturity in such a grave circumstance. But being age three has the benefit of your attention span magically drawn to the next shiny object, and since it was a beautiful NYC spring morning, I went downstairs to the small plaza outside the front of the building to play. I was in luck! There was a kid my age there, someone who I had never met. His name was Trey. We immediately became best friends and were having a great time. We flew high above the clouds, past the planes and even as high as the moon, our arms and fingers held stiffly out as our wings, banking left then right, flying faster and faster, still higher and higher still until we crash landed into each other, laughing until we were dizzy from it and having the best time in our lives...but then I remembered! I ran as fast as a cheetah to his father who was standing in the truck that was parked just outside the entrance to the plaza, packed with furniture and boxes the he was unloading. I felt it my duty that he must be warned about "The Schwarzers" moving into the building. I remember as if it was yesterday his smiling face disappearing into a blank as his gaze unfocused. I just ran back to Troy feeling good about my good deed and we continued playing until my mother came downstairs and immediately took me upstairs by the arm. In the elevator up to our third floor apartment I learned that Troy and his family were "The Schwarzers", which is Yiddish for Blacks, and that it was Trey and his family that had the adults in the building so concerned with...something.

    Hip Hop speaks of these kinds of stories and the aftermath of the education of fear.
     
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  15. Who has said that the society or other communities are in the custody of Rappers, Hip-Hopers or other Music-activists? :rofl:

    If you give the critics the things that they (Rappers) are rapping about, everything would go fine but naturally not all people can have access to those facilities.

    Better future is not the rappers' main concern. They just want to find a subject and talk about it and sell their products. Rappers can not change the world.
     
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    Oy vey, ..those folks just like to kvetch with each other :guru:
     
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    boohoo. "why can't things be like they were in the (choose a decade)". pop music is never static, it keeps mutating. and every generation thinks that the music they grew up with was the best (has no one noticed how perfect it is that they grew up in the era that coincidentally had the best music?).

    it's just the same old complaints. like keith richards complaining about hip hop; he's become the cranky old man who complained about the stones in the 60s.

    pop music mutates. and if you stop following it, you wake up one day and it sounds... off. but no one cares (at least, no 14-year olds care; for most of them, the music of the moment is the music of their moment). as it is and always will be...
     
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    I didn't know anything had happened to Hip Hop.

    Hell, what is Hip Hop? I'm guessing it's a computer game, right?
     
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