The last thread got long, and there were way too many good opinions in it to leave this alone. So here’s the next angle: What are you, really? Producer? Player? Singer? Composer? And more importantly: which one matters most? The composer who writes the melody? The player who performs it? The singer who delivers it? Or the producer who turns all of it into an actual record? I think your answer to that question basically determines how you feel about AI in music (no, this is not a Suno yes/no thread). Because your opinion on AI usually comes down to one thing: What do you believe music production actually is? A player will hate AI that can play flawless parts instantly. A singer will hate tools that can make anyone sound polished (looking at you autotune). A composer will hate seeing a machine spit out in 30 seconds something that gets more attention than what they spent 2 months trying to get. Makes sense. But producers? That’s where it gets interesting. If your idea of producing is: “I sit at the keys and play my ideas myself,” then yeah, AI probably feels like a threat. But if your idea of producing is: “I hear the song in my head. I know the mood, tempo, groove, structure, lyrics, and direction. My job is to make that song real", then AI might feel like a super useful tool. Because in that case, the producer’s job is not to do every single task by hand. It’s to make the record happen. To pull together the beat, melody, vocals, sound design, arrangement, recording, mixing - whatever it takes- and end up with a finished song. That’s why I think bedroom producers get especially confused in this conversation. We’ve had to become everything. Producer. Composer. Player. Engineer. Writer. Sometimes even marketer too. So now our identity is all tangled up. We don’t know whether we love making music because we love writing songs, playing parts, shaping records, or just being in total control of the whole process. For years, we had no choice. If we wanted to make music, we had to do all of it ourselves. Now AI shows up and suddenly says: “You don’t have to.” And that’s where it gets uncomfortable. Because maybe now we can go back to our real instinct. Maybe the player can just play. Maybe the composer can just compose. Maybe the producer can just produce. Maybe we can hand off the rest to digital tools and focus on the part we actually care about most. But after doing every role for so long… do we even remember what that part is? Are we making music for fun? For expression? For skill? For money? For attention? For the love of the craft? And if AI can take over parts of the process, are we actually ready to let go? Or have those parts become too tied to our identity? That’s why I think the AI debate in music isn’t really just about tools. It’s about ego. Identity. Control. And what role we believe we’re supposed to play in the first place. I’m not sure there’s an easy answer.
I'm an opera singer. The composer wrote the song, which sings and swings in my heart, mind and soul anyway - just before I've ever noticed what the composer once wrote down. So it's my own song I'm singing - with help of the composers mind and hand...at the end: It's OUR song. We're both singing...together. I'm making music not just for fun but for telling my story, my feelings and thoughts to other human beeings. Face to face. Music is a direct bridge between my soul and other souls. For me this connection is the reason of music. AI is all about information and cannot have or produce feelings...can only fake them, maybe. For my own work I'm using AI tools for studying my roles - reduce recordings via SpectraLayers for musical accompaniment... AI will never replace any kind of art because art isn't about information but about soul and feelings. But maybe AI will replace all other kinds of tools artist use until now... If AI can replace anything, then that's demonstrably not art. ;)
I always wanted to be an audio engineer. And that is what I am. That's my day job. But I love composing little tracks and playing with sounds as a hobby. I never wanted to be a musician for a living. That would stress me out. And I'm not keen on showing my musical output to others. For me that's a private thing for relaxation. But I'm proud of some of my tracks, it's not that I'm embarrassed. Integrating AI would take the fun out of it for me. I want the dopamine hit when I find something I can be proud of. I would not have that if I stood on the sholders of several million giants. Yes I use presets/libraries/samples and no that's not the same. It's taking something I know the source of, from someone I paid for or from something or someone I respect very much. That could be a movie or any other sound source. Having AI scrape James Brown, mangling it and spitting out some breaks is not the way I want to honor someones work. Sampling is not stealing, it is to bow before the talent of others. While AI is stealing, as we don't even know the source. But others do it their way. I'm sure there are people who use AI to create original songs. But with most of what I hear on spotify it's not the case. Uploading 200 albums in 4 months is far from what I consider artistic endeavour.
Audio engineer. But hobbyist musician is probably more appropiate in this case, maybe composer if i must pick one of the list. Whoever had the initial idea and set things in motion. Could be anyone really. Composer i guess? For you maybe, but what i've seen people get unconfortable with mostly is the devaluation of said roles or music in general, AI ethics, money and reach issues, that kind of stuff. Gotta be honest, i'm drunk and having trouble figuring out the question. But don't let this whole AI stuff distract you. In the end the only certainty is that you'll remember making your music, so enjoy the process and get a result you'll be proud of, no matter the tools you used. The rest is a fugazi, it's a wazzie, it's a woozie, it's fairy dust.
AI could never replace me. Period. Your music is derived from what you listened to as a youth and is therefore 100% your own opinion of what constitutes a decent memorable piece of music, AI can't listen and has no opinion. Period.
Hello euxyh103, in my opinion, you're asking yourself far too many questions, and questions are always a problem for the brain. I would say think less—simply act and do what you can within your financial, mental, and temporal means. More important questions are actually: What do we need to do to ensure that our energy supply continues to provide affordable electricity in the future? The drinking water supply and basic necessities must also be guaranteed. Maintain peace, create peace, remain peaceful.
A.I for stem separation is okay. AI for vocal separation is also okay but using AI for making random songs is not OKAY. its the lowest form of production. i would not even call it a production i would call it cheating .. please get ai out of music.. i listened to alot of ai content and it sounds the same. altough it sounds good in some terms most of it you can hear it is made with fake ai
it's simple - if you answer that question with any job, then you are scared of losing a job, and if that's what you enjoy and make it a pillar of your life then no wonder you feel fcked up me, I guess I'm flegmatic perfectionist, curious to understand things and help others selflessly - good luck AI doing that where only driving force is profit
I'm not asking myself questions I'm asking you, the community, to start a debate. My opinion on the issue doesn't really matter.
That's just typical of your character; it's not me, but others who are to blame. These days, hardly anyone takes responsibility for their own actions. A lack of self-criticism and self-praise like theirs isn't progress at all, it's stagnation. Of course, they've done some things right and are rightly proud of them, but this self-satisfaction is quite noticeable. You won't get out of this situation that way. You write several sentences and then simply say you want to start a discussion, but everything you've written is just you!
They've managed without AI for the last 50 years; they've mixed great songs without AI, and even the big studios have always managed without it. So why are they now questioning the use of AI? Don't they realize how they've already been influenced from the outside?
Sorry, I didn't understand :/ I was merely starting a discussion under AI in Music sub after reading everything everyone wrote on different threads and being exposed to do different views and opinions. My opinion (pro/ against) doesn't matter as I'm sharing a general idea for discussion. I'm not looking for approval to use AI in music (the only approval I need for anything is my wife's :p). I'm looking at the music industry now from above, and trying to see where it goes. When industry companies like waves releasing Illugen to use inside the daw, and hits being released every day from 3 mins work on things like Suno, my first reaction is: it's not fair. We worked hard for years, mastered the art of producing, learned theory by ourselves, had a decent 100gbs of libraries and vsts aligned on our hard drive, and suddenly a 12 year old can come and create a hit in 5 mins. Same discussion with using loops, presets, and plugins. My second reaction was - are we being left behind just for our ego, or actually using these tools and new tech to our benefit while still maintaining our self producer. These thoughts are worth discussing, not to get the 'ok' from other users on a warez forum, but to actually understand where we go. (If you do ask for my personal opinion, I don't like Suno. Not because it's 'not fair' but because it's hit and miss, you can't customize anything, you don't have control over anything, you don't get satisfaction from the final track etc. I do love the fact that I can use computer power to clean my track, to suggest another chord within the same key, even to create a lead by creating a midi from my recorded hum).
What are you, really? I am whatever I'm needed to be at the time I deem suitable. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- And more importantly: which one matters most? A shared split of 25% ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think your answer to that question basically determines how you feel about AI in music (no, this is not a Suno yes/no thread). I will stop there when it comes to AI.. As far as I'm concerned. AI stands for Arsehat Invention. I believe it will become the dominant factor on this planet, and possibly other planets too as it doesn't need human beings, or at least it won't in the future!. It also won't only be limited to thrive here, but among the stars and beyond too! In the race to beat everyone else, people are forgetting the main reason for it.. To help, NOT to hinder. Every report I have read, and looked into, says when push comes to shove, as soon as AI deems the Human Race as insignificant or a threat to its existence, It will end us!
Thanks @euxyh103 for your comment; I hope I didn't offend her. First, they must adapt as human beings or they will perish. Justice exists only in theory; in reality, things are very unjust all over the world. They know the past, they live in the present, and they wonder what the future will hold. The Greek aphorism panta rhei literally means "everything flows" and describes the fact that everything is in constant motion. The world is therefore not static; everything is in a state of becoming. Things, beings, and states arise and pass away continuously. Look at who is producing these AI tools. Look at the major tech companies and learn what AI means for our societies. First, it allows them to make money; it's a new business model and a way to generate revenue. A side effect is that data can be collected about users, and ultimately, this data will be used for surveillance and population control. The Big Seven from the USA are Google, Amazon, Apple, Meta (Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp), and Microsoft (especially Windows). Nvidia and Saudi Aramco. These companies have the power and the money of investors, and money always seeks returns and investment opportunities. Whether AI will be a flop overall and which companies will survive is currently unknown. Humans always choose the easiest path!
When the power goes out, and no one has any money for AI subscriptions, I'll still be able to create, compose, write lyrics, play, sing, produce, source an audience and entertain them. Old School!
People are lazy and curious by nature and therefore the new tools will also be successful with people who are uncritical of AI programs. Have you ever had the idea of really thinking and reading about what technology does to you and your brain or are you so naive that you believe that everything that is available to buy and use is also good for people. The big tech companies will only tell you the advantages of their product but not the disadvantages, because they want to sell their products in large quantities.
