There was a time when accurate maps were not available and people did not know where they were going and they chose wrong paths and sometimes became prey to wild animals. Even if they reached a place after all their efforts, they did not know how to return to their homes.

If the correct maps are not available, we cannot reach the correct destinations. Look at this map now. What happens if the places of the countries are not correct?





I want a accurate map for music, where all the details are clear and before we move, we know what path we are going to take and where we are going to reach, but Olymoon said that such a map cannot be drawn.

 

You can't seriously be so ignorant. I've met molluscs who have a better understanding of music.

 

This map is correct. Fixes that lack of diversity problem. I don't mind going to the place I usually order fatass burritos from, only to find spring rolls in it's place. Those are the type of CDJ's I'd buy, now THOSE are turntables everyone would be happy wit.

The map for music doesn't really exist, there are too many maps for too many reasons. Either you let us know what goal you want your map to serve and someone will help you but it's just too obvious you aren't looking for answers to the question, you're looking for questions without answers.

 

I think what you want is 'someone or something' to always tell what what to write after a given note or chord? The thing is that every note or chord opens other new possibilities. The way you make these choices depends on the genre, mood and most of all your own style and personality. It's impossible to capture this in a universal map.

I think you are someone that would desperately like to create music but lacks the knowledge and the talent. I think your best bet would be (A)rtificial (I)ntelligence? But maybe you should just consider another hobby?

 

that still has nothing to with counterpoint as far as I have learnt it. Seems like there might a another meaning for counterpoint that I am not aware of

 

That's more like voice leading..

Counterpoint is more about having two Melodic lines,
Harmonically-linked, but Rhythmically independent..

 

I think Foster is trolling for chaos while supposedly looking for order. It's a neat trick.

 

I think it's easier to go and read what counterpoint actually is about instead of turning this into a new discussion? This is good description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterpoint

 

No, you want to find an objectively, universally correct destination, which is not how anything in this world works. Please contact a medical health professional and don't slack on therapy. This would be an objectively correct destination for your specific starting point.

 

Cadence is utterly another topic. The chart you shared relates to harmony function, yet it is not full.

The chart you shared is a short-hand for counterpoint.

The point of these kinds of shorthands is to give us easy and quick access to a small subset of the true possibilities. you're still ultimately dealing with shorthands for counterpoints, but the chords are easy to swap out and feel confident you won't "break" anything under the hood

We actually still employ counterpoint rules, but these kinds of shorthands are like game tricks.

Counterpoint is the relationship between two or more musical lines (or voices). Three part-counterpoint is the father of the chords and harmony progression. Free composition is prolonged counterpoint, but it still includes lots of godfather counterpoint rules.

 

@Glori

Your assumptions and expectation are wrong, sorry. Music theory books cannot bring you the answer.

All analogies are weak but I'll try.

Can a map tell you where to go? No. Map is just an "enumeration" of all existing places. You are located in one of them. And all of them are more or less available for you. But the choice where to go is yours. You have to make this choice.
Yes, there are sort of rules. Sometimes you cannot move to a certain place without accessing another one as the direct path doesn't exist. In most cases you cannot jump over some places, etc. But you can choose any of them as destination. Or almost any.
The "musical map" is more or less such an enumeration of possible next steps.

How do you choose next word when you speak or write? It depends on what you want to tell. To express your thought you just choose one of all the words you know.
Can grammars and dictionaries give you an advice what word is next? No. They say: "We don't know what you want to say. But you can choose this word of that one (one of all possible words). And you must coordinate them this way or that way".

You don't take in account the will and the freedom of a musician (speaker, traveler etc.). It's them who decide what is next.

Music isn't an intellectual process. It's not a "calculus". Start by picking random notes with any instruments. Choose a combination you like the most. This is you, it's your choice. Music theory can help you to develop or embelish it. But you must start from something that comes from you.

 

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Musical map is absolutely correct. It's you who can't decide where to go next. Maps never show where you should go. Maps exist not for this.

 

Not with that attitude.



Anyway, i don't think the definition is different. The thing is, counterpoint inherently creates harmony by overlapping or convenient placing of notes, the rules are there (partly) to ensure that harmony works.

If you create a succession of chords (just your typical "guitar strum" type) you can look at it as differnt voices interacting. Wasn't made with counterpoint in mind, but the rules still apply because they are fundamentally aiming towards the same thing.

It does look like your typical voice leading thing. My bad. The idea was to show they could be seen as different melodies, not to show the movement from here to there.

 

Foster is a God in this thread, and as we the congregation partake in the sacrament of Glori scat, raise Him who is all, is nothing, is both our fulfillment as well as our vast infinite emptiness which leaves us lost in the wilderness of nothingness.

And as a parting though, yes, some mollusks do know more of music than this very OP.

 

How many times have we seen this exact same load of crap “question”? And during how many years? This troll has been doing this exact same thing for 5 years at least.

The EXACT same thing

If that doesn’t tell you there’s at least a couple of screws loose inside, then I don’t know what tell you really

 

Perhaps he/she is really AI and we've been training it for the big day.

 

OK guys , because some are so ...... to post political comments in this thread, and anyway, the troll is already gone and banned.
Post is closed.

 

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