Vote and explain

Discussion in 'Studio' started by Producer, Oct 14, 2020.

?

Which position would you choose? A or B? and why?

  1. A. Early reflections are better than late

    11 vote(s)
    73.3%
  2. B. Better late than never

    1 vote(s)
    6.7%
  3. C. Are you crazy? I would never enter such room.

    3 vote(s)
    20.0%
  1. Producer

    Producer Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2016
    Messages:
    272
    Likes Received:
    164
    Location:
    3rd house on the left.The one with the lemon trees
    Let's imagine we have a small room, around 15sqm which will be used with no acoustic treatment( we pick the worst case scenario) and we only have 2 options for speaker and listener placement. You can't use bass traps, diffusers , equalisation or anything else to treat the room.Just 2 positions. Which one would you choose and why. And no we can't put them in the middle.
     

    Attached Files:

  2.  
  3. Producer

    Producer Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2016
    Messages:
    272
    Likes Received:
    164
    Location:
    3rd house on the left.The one with the lemon trees
    Although this room seems unreal, yet it's pretty close to most houses listening environment when people watch TV (with a few extra stuff that may absorb or diffuse). In reality it's just a casual room where people sit close to walls or put the tv on the wall.
     
  4. thomas78

    thomas78 Noisemaker

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2020
    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    6
    choose for monitoring audio work, or for recreational music listening? you answered your own question yet?!?
     
  5. Moogerfooger

    Moogerfooger Rock Star

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2016
    Messages:
    744
    Likes Received:
    411
    I voted A because there will be less bass building up in that listening position. But nobody will know what either sounds like until you actually set your speakers up and listen.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Like Like x 1
    • List
  6. Producer

    Producer Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2016
    Messages:
    272
    Likes Received:
    164
    Location:
    3rd house on the left.The one with the lemon trees
    @thomas78 Does it matter? Cause if you do monitoring, it will be wrong in both cases. Let's say music listening then.No I didn't answer. I'm waiting for your answers.
     
  7. Producer

    Producer Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2016
    Messages:
    272
    Likes Received:
    164
    Location:
    3rd house on the left.The one with the lemon trees
    You think? I'm still not really sure cause it's a small room. But I think you will be right if we try that setup.
     
  8. Roject

    Roject Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2019
    Messages:
    655
    Likes Received:
    252
    I choose A because in B sound will be opposite for ears.


    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • List
  9. thomas78

    thomas78 Noisemaker

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2020
    Messages:
    20
    Likes Received:
    6
    a friend of mine got a strange idea. he placed 2 right speakers diagonally, and 2 left in the other corners.


    L R
    R L


    the "logic" behind was: wherever you are, theres always a left and a right speaker for you. i was speechless!
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Interesting Interesting x 2
    • List
  10. Producer

    Producer Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2016
    Messages:
    272
    Likes Received:
    164
    Location:
    3rd house on the left.The one with the lemon trees
    I bet those kind of games they were playing in Dolby laboratories when quadrophonic was born :rofl:
     
  11. KungPaoFist

    KungPaoFist Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2017
    Messages:
    1,475
    Likes Received:
    891
    Location:
    CA
    I choose C because unless you pull the speakers to the middle of the room you're screwed.
     
  12. Lois Lane

    Lois Lane Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2019
    Messages:
    1,430
    Likes Received:
    1,495
    Location:
    Someplace Over The Rainbow
    A and keep the volume no louder than 80 dB else it will be like trying to put a scrambled egg back in the shell and hoping for it to hatch.
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • List
  13. Roject

    Roject Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2019
    Messages:
    655
    Likes Received:
    252
    Why not D? :hillbilly:


    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
    • List
  14. Roject

    Roject Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2019
    Messages:
    655
    Likes Received:
    252
    [​IMG]
     
    • Funny Funny x 4
    • Like Like x 1
    • List
  15. KungPaoFist

    KungPaoFist Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2017
    Messages:
    1,475
    Likes Received:
    891
    Location:
    CA
    Normally for the close range setup I would agree but in this case, the two monitors are in corners. Even at extremely low levels the boxy and boomy resonant frequencies render this position useless. I've tried
     
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2020
  16. Roject

    Roject Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2019
    Messages:
    655
    Likes Received:
    252
    Right speakers only in 4 cases. In the rest cases sound will be mixed.


    Example:
    [​IMG]


    More Pleasant Example:
    [​IMG]
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Winner Winner x 3
    • Like Like x 2
    • List
  17. mr.personality

    mr.personality Kapellmeister

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2017
    Messages:
    132
    Likes Received:
    56
    Have a small 10-ish x 10-ish room. Desk is in center against wall. Speakers are on tripods on each side of desk, angled at my head, roughly 2 feet from head. Figure the closer is better. <shug>
    This also puts the back of speakers 2.5 - 3 feet from wall and corners.

    Try to get it so moving in chair back a couple or few feet more and it kinda sounds the same, it probably helps.
     
    Last edited: Oct 15, 2020
  18. No Avenger

    No Avenger Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Messages:
    4,452
    Likes Received:
    3,121
    Location:
    Europe
    Easy answer, for nearfields A, 'cause that's what they're made for, for midrangers B. But I can't recommend midrangers for that room. :winker:
     
    • Like Like x 4
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • List
  19. Producer

    Producer Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2016
    Messages:
    272
    Likes Received:
    164
    Location:
    3rd house on the left.The one with the lemon trees
    I think if you try D , you'll have both front and back reflections. It will be worst case scenario. If you have a boxy room you always go for the more distant walls. And yes @No Avenger . I think with small near fields it will be possible to cure the problem a bit.
     
  20. No Avenger

    No Avenger Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Messages:
    4,452
    Likes Received:
    3,121
    Location:
    Europe
    Not necessarily. A friend of mine went for setup A in his new home (even if the room was bigger) and had incredibly loud standing low frequency waves. I suggested to flip it by 90° and after a few hours of un- and repatching the sound was way better. That spared him a lot of unnecessary bass traps.
     
  21. Lois Lane

    Lois Lane Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2019
    Messages:
    1,430
    Likes Received:
    1,495
    Location:
    Someplace Over The Rainbow
    Early in the morning here for my dinted brain, but why don't you try what I've done and go along the long wall. It has worked out well for me with mostly just furniture and books with a few bass traps and an antique Persian rug (I can't figure out how to fly with it yet but I haven't given up). The only issue I have is sympathetic resonance from far too many guitars ringing at times if I go over 85 dB.
     
Loading...
Similar Threads - Vote explain Forum Date
Why do all MP3 converters get downvoted? Software Apr 11, 2020
Z and the Vote of Destiny Collaborations Mar 8, 2020
The Return Of Steve Faoki - VOTE BELOW Lounge Oct 8, 2019
What is your favourite analog simulation software/technology (vote) Software May 27, 2017
hi guys i need your help (: just your vote. Lounge Apr 28, 2017
Loading...