useless "Snake Oil" vst's

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  1. mp5

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    I can not give you the exact time cues, but it goes like this
    WAV 0:00-0:05; MP3 0:05-0:07; WAV 0:07-0:10; MP3 0:10-0:13;WAV 0:13-0:20 (till the end).
     
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    :like: On principle correct, you only missed two by a bit more than a second, but the file ends here at 17,777sec, not 20, so...
     
  3. mp5

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    Well, you got the file in your editor with exact timings. I said I can not give you the exact time cues, I was busy listening, watching the monitor for timing and jotting down the notes all at the same time. The end time shown on the player was 0:20...
    So what is your conclusion in the end?
     
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    If you did that by ear, good, if not to say very good.
    I wonder how many people would recognize it, especially if you take this pro's opinion into consideration:

     
  5. mp5

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    What do you mean "if you did that by ear"? How else can you hear the difference?
    I don't know how many people would recognize it. I have friends among producers who say "mp3 is enough", and just don't pay much attention, because in most cases they are asked to deliver in mp3. Also I have two good friends who are designers of Hi-Fi equipment, who used to occasionally ask me to attend their listening tests. It is really weird, but they can not hear the difference between a class-A and a class-AB amplifier... Also my friend piano teacher and a concert pianist could not hear the difference between mp3@320 and the original WAV.
    So, there are all kids of pros, but my brother, ex cello player, can hear it, for instance.
     
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  6. Trurl

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    A well encoded 320kbs mp3 can sound almost as good as a wav on many systems. That's a lot of variables though. Most MP3 encoders are either terrible, or not set to their highest settings. I have a lot of collaborators that ask me how I get my mp3s to sound so good. Of course there's always still a little bit of artifacts going on but they can be pretty good.
     
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  7. DoubleTake

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    I remember some years ago I decided i did not need anything above 160kbps in my music library.
    I was happy enough to have no tape hiss or vinyl crackling.
     
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    oh dude cmon.. 160 & above?? what about the hats? I know you heard that shit
     
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    if you didn't, I'm talking to a fool
     
  10. No Avenger

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    I meant if you didn't cheat and used a spectrogram to see it. :winker:

    Then you're both cursed with a superior hearing. [​IMG]

    Did you listen to my example and if so, what was your impression?
     
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  11. mp5

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    You can always hear the extra compression, especially in constricted bass, but also in overall spectrum. There are: blurred ambient acoustics. lack of detail in mids, overall harshness, and highs sounding as if passing through some kind of a very thin raster (or 'fine-grainy' - hard to define, but easy to hear).
    The difference between the best encoded mp3@ 320 and the original WAV is, to put it roughly, as between the best encoded mp3@128 and the best encoded mp3@320.
    And the difference between 16/44.1 WAV and 24/44.1 WAV is somewhat smaller, but still important.
     
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  12. mp5

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    Your answer surprises me. What is the sense of putting people to the test if you don't trust them?
    And from Trurl's post you can see that he can hear it too.
     
  13. Trurl

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    I haven't heard it yet. I'll listen when I get on some decent speakers and try not to cheat *lol*
     
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    I think most people can't.

    You mean trust like in trust? That's sweet.
     
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  15. Trurl

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    Well dang. I tried the file on a fairly decent set of ear buds via my phone and I can't hear it. Even focusing on the hats. Honestly it ALL sounds like mp3 to me lol. And it's so close to a mono track. I'll have to try with some better phones.
     
  16. mp5

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    In your earlier post you said 'A well encoded 320kbs mp3 can sound almost as good as a wav on many systems', which should mean that you can hear the difference any time.
    For 'ear buds via my phone' testing technique, a mp3@64 is within the quality limits.
     
  17. mp5

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    Following your thought, people who can not hear the difference might be called 'blessed'. Because the difference that people who can hear it is nothing but ugly and irritating ('quantization' in its sensual sense).
    And, besides, those who can hear not get nothing by searching for 'proofs' from other people, because no proof can make them start hearing it.
     
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    :woot: :bash: [​IMG]
     
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    Google 'humor' and 'irony'. :winker:

    It was just an example for 'normal' perception. I stumbled over this by accident quite some time ago.
     
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    Stagecraft Addiction
    crap synth.
     
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