usb interface with lowest latency at 44100 hz 16 samples

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  1. KUSHSMOKERLIT

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    i currently own a focusrite solo 3rd gen which gives me 4.1 ms at 16 samples 44100 hz is there any other usb interface that can give me a lower latency at 44100 hz samplerate? my i7 7700k cant go above 48000hz without crackling so im not sure there are better interfaces for 44100 hz samplerate correct me if im wrong thanks
     
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    RME Baby Face or Presonus Quantum 2626 (thunderbolt)
    Not the same price as your interface.
     
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    Most soundcards will not go under 32 samples at 44.1 khz
    Too much CPU stress

    Basically you will get THE SAME latency, whatever brand / model, with the same settings.
    Because it is related to number of samples/samplerate ratio.

    If you want to lower latency, you need to up your samplerate.
    Because 32/ 44 100 is higher than 32 / 96 000

    At 16 samples, it will probably give glitches and CPU overload.

    Because those samples are acting like buffer, to diminish stress on the system.
    And a SINGLE core overloaded with audio capture is enough ... even with 64 cores.

    The less buffer samples you use, the more stress/glitches you may get.

    Some SERIOUS reading here (instead of name dropping) :
    https://gearspace.com/board/music-computers/1105133-44-1-vs-192-khz-regards-latency.html

    So basically there is NO soundcard giving you 16 samples buffer for 44.1 khz : it is your whole system AND a good enough soundcard.

    As an example, my system is :
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700K CPU @ 3.80GHz 3.79 GHz

    And i can't use 16 samples buffer at 44.1 khz ... or any other samplerate.
    32 samples buffer minimum

    32 samples buffer or more than 44.1 khz is the only question :wink:

    PS : it seems your system can't handle it too ...
     
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    Really?
    44.1kHz, 48samples (Babyface (old) doesn't go lower) 2.3, 2.5ms (compare to post #1 and #2).
     
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    Not correct. Look at the low latency performance chart (specifically the RTL at a given buffer) in the first post of this useful thread: https://gearspace.com/board/music-c...erface-low-latency-performance-data-base.html

    RME PCI express still the king if you're after the absolute best in terms of llp and cpu efficiency: I'm still fine with my ff800 after 17 years
    but one day I may buy a RME pci express card just for the last drop of cpu efficiency squeezing.
     
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    I definitely stopped worrying about latency using outboard gear for tracking (channel strip, reverb, delay etc). In this way I can monitor the signal with effects before entering the computer and therefore with zero latency. Obviously the recorded signal will be dry, all the fx's used are only for reference for the performer's headphone, they will not be recorded by the DAW. To solve the latency problem once and for all, what I recommend is to use outboard gear for tracking
    Then, once tracking is done, the latency issue in mixing is completely irrelevant.
     
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    Ok guys, you are right : drivers and such play a big role.
    And can drop latency.

    So buy this RME and try 16 samples 44.1 ... and tell me how it glitch
     
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    which interface is that? 2.9 msec seems like a reasonable input latency im very interested
     
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    ff800 64 samples latency.png
    RME don't have 16 samples latency. It starts from 32 in some interfaces or 48 like in mine. I usually work at 64 samples 44100 (6.10ms RTL) or 48k and it's flawless.

    I don't see the need for less than 6 ms of latency honestly.

    I play live instruments and track with zero problems. If I should need better latencies I'll work at higher sample rates to cut latency to 4 ms just for tracking but I don't think I will ever need to do it.

    I play drums, guitar, bass and keyboards but I'm not a virtuoso/shredder on any of these but some friends of mine are and they didn't have any problems either.

    This is input and output latency at 64 samples 44100 SR on my Fireface 800 from 2006. Newest RME interfaces have better performance
     
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    It's a Fosusrite Scarlett. No matter what way you ask this question (again), you are only going to achieve another thread of useless info. Nothing you are trying to accomplish needs 0 latency. You aren't providing useful information when throwing around these numbers. You aren't going to be recording at 16bit 44.1 for anything remotely serious. You are not showing RTL numbers just "4 seconds".

    No matter what way you twist the numbers around on paper, in your DAW settings menus, or in your brain; your 200$ interface is a $200 interface which just happens to have the worst possible software you can get with a $200 interface.

    Do yourself a favor and shitcan it.
     
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    focusrite scarlett (solo) is the best and lowest latency interface i had/used. i work at 48khz/16 samples
     
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    which usb interface would you get for the lowest latency possible?
     
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    cmon you gotta be trolling
     
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    I would not be looking at published latency numbers like they are the end-all-be-all way of deciding what a quality audio interface should do.

    The first thing I would do would be to figure out my budget. Then the number of i/o connections I need. Then the quality of the DACs, the driver software. Then the numbers.

    I would use all those facts to narrow down a much smaller list of interfaces to compare directly to one another. I might consider past experience with the different companies, products I have used in the past, and then ask a question or two on a relevant forum. Then I would go to the local music gear store(s) and actually look at the devices, and maybe even speak to one of the sales people. (I would just call Sweetwater, but thats a different thing).

    You compare technical specs and numbers like latency after you have a device or two you need to compare, and they are so close in performance that some numbers on a page are even meaningful.

    You wouldn't buy a car because it has the best 0-55mph numbers to drive to work every day if you found out it was an 800 pound car made out of plastic. Would you?
     
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    AG03, but the entire AG and MG line use the same driver. I believe the Steinberg interfaces do too.

    Preamps aren't anything really special in them, but they work great for condensers. Everything else is great.
     
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    you made some very valid points but that still doesnt give me a clear answer as which interface to get this is so much info looking all day to figure out which interface has the lowest latency at 44100 hz i heard apollo twin works at 12.9 ms at 44100 hz which is a bummer since i was considering saving up for an apollo twin now that it is out the list i wonder what interface should i get
     
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    In all honesty, I play piano and anything lower than 10ms is pretty much real time already. Most interfaces average at 6ms or lower at 64 [email protected], meaning that anything lower than that will be extremely difficult to distinguish.
     
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    Support for any given interface is more like supporting a sports team or religion than anything else. You pick one for... reasons... then defend it until you die.
     
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    Hehehe: harsh but fair

    Starting from the concept that in digital audio zero latency is a myth, values like 6ms of latency are really good for an audio interface. Actually, everyone reacts differently to latency. For example: when I play the keyboard on a VST instruments, I can compensate the delay up to around 64ms , after which I start to get nervous and the performance suffers. However, it's a different story when singing or speaking: my personal tolerance is about 12ms, above this value I go into a state of confusion and it's not possible for me to continue.
    Generally speaking, you should completely avoid monitoring your signal through insert plugins and solve the problem in another way
     
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