It seems to me that Foster911 has just started another "this vs. that" war and left the scene.

 

You are quite mistaken.

 

UK - Hands down.
I'll use the current trending genre: Pop music. In the US, pop music always seemed to suck orangutang balls. The UK at least had the Beatles, Oasis, Rolling Stones, and all these other amazing artists. Shit, they even have the world's richest Boy band - OneDirection (who actually in fact suck hairy orangutang balls, unlike the aforementioned bands).
Even UK house music is even better than US. In the US, we have this garbage toneless pop shit and the kids listen to this shit. Whereas Euro-house is actually decent - and people all around the world listen to it.
US definition of pop songs: Brittany Spears with "Oops I did it again" and Rebecca Black with "Friday". Nobody listens to this shit anymore. If they do, they're really stupid people. UK's definition of pop songs: The Verve with "Bittersweet Symphony" and Oasis with "Wonderwall". I and many other people all around the world still listen to this stuff everyday. Those are 2 of my favorite songs of all time. I know some of you will say I'm comparing apples and oranges. But look at the big picture - US pop music makes you cringe for a couple years and then it eventually dies off when some other teenie bopper comes around - and the cycle repeats. UK artists can make you feel good, and lives on throughout the universe. The US wish they had that kind of positive impact on the music industry. But the US has more negative impact than positive on the music industry. The UK has more positive than negative impact.
Honestly I barely see how this is even a debate.

 

what is modern music ???

Music was an art during the period of 1700 - 1800 ; than, when we started to commercialize it, it stopped being an art.
There were a few "revival" attempts in the last century, with jazz and a few other genres, but we see how it ended.

It is hard to define what is Music and what is just noise, so maybe, threads as this one do not make very much sense ?!?

What was the intent of the OP with this thread please ?

 

Actually, music was an art when Knee and the Thralls made their debut performance 580,000 years ago. Their band started when Heeja the tribe's chief woke up with termites in his pants (termites are attracted to "wet wood"), and started freaking out. Then the other tribesman started banging on logs and then they realized the impeccable invention. One guy said "wuh wuh da yoo kuhll thu?" and chief Heeja said "moooozeeek!!!" And all the others started chanting "moozeeeekk!! mooozzeeeeekk!!!" Their debut hit song "Waggalloo waggalloooo!!" was a teepee rattling success, featuring some of the most infectious chest pounding rhythms, melodic hollow log licks, creative tree shaking, insane tail-whacking, catchy beatboxing (remember that awesome beatbox line that got you like "ugga ugga oogga oogga yeggoo yeggoo eeka eeka"? Yeah that song! Then tribesman Wuggy wuggy came out with a solo song about his love song about the Woolly Mammoth that broke his heart. Now that was a classic!! Yeeeeeaaaaahhhh!!!!!! I think these bands were from Ethiopia, though.

 

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To discuss the parts of music none of us here has any control over, as opposed to the parts we do.

The better question for the OP is, Which one of us is going to influence modern/future music more? and who's just gonna sit on forums not making any?

 

I am an analphabet. I still use crisscross.

 

I agree with some people here who have stated that people in US only look at the commercial side and when there is money involved, doing art for the sake of it will be shattered. then we're seeing underground artists going mainstream and moving to US and then we have another group; wannabe's downloading some cracked software and try to jump on the wave to get a piece.

It is a sad world actually...

 

modern music? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha hahh hha ha hah ha ha hahhhhh.... sorry I could not stop... hahhh ha ha ha... let me breathe again... ha ha...hahhhhhhh

ok it gets better
So you mean Taylor Swift, the weekend, Bieber, and Drake? I suppose it's what you call "modern music".
OMG, what's an invention, ha ha ha ha... hum herkk...arggg ha haha humm hahhhhhh.... ok I take a big breath again.
Nobody will listen again to that shit in decades. It's just consumer music for when you get a pill or some wine or want to fuck.

Not to mention EDM which was basically invented by the French and Germans, which I also think is going to be forgotten very quickly. Although in terms of instruments and revolution to music, it's definitely interesting or at least it should be (I mean Jarre wrote electronic symphonies, not boum-tchak-boum-tchak-boum-tchak).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popular_music_genres (particularly electronic)

Sorry mentioning them here:

Ambient
Ambient dub
Ambient house
Ambient techno
Ambient industrial
Dark ambient
Space music
Drone music
Illbient
Psybient
Isolationism
Lowercase
Asian Underground
Breakbeat
Baltimore Club
Big beat
Breakbeat hardcore
Broken beat
Florida breaks
Nu skool breaks
4-beat
Chiptune
Bitpop
Game Boy music
Nintendocore
Video game music
Yorkshire Bleeps and Bass
Disco
Cosmic disco
Disco polo
Europop
Euro disco
Space disco
Italo disco
Nu-disco
Downtempo
Acid jazz
Balearic Beat
Chill out
Dub music
Dubtronica
Ethnic electronica
Moombahton
New-age music
Nu jazz
Trip hop
Drum and bass
Darkcore
Darkstep
Drumfunk
Drumstep
Hardstep
Intelligent drum and bass
Jump-Up
Liquid funk
Neurofunk
Oldschool jungle
Darkside jungle
Ragga-jungle
Raggacore
Sambass
Techstep
Electro
Crunk
Electro backbeat
Electro-grime
Electro swing
Electroacoustic
Acousmatic music
Computer music
Electroacoustic improvisation
Field recording
Live electronics
Live coding
Musique concrète
Soundscape composition
Tape music
Electronica
Berlin school
Chillwave
Electronic art music
Electronic dance music
Folktronica
Freestyle music
IDM
Glitch
Laptronica
Skweee
Sound art
Synthcore
Electronic rock
Alternative dance
Baggy
Madchester
Dance-punk
Dance-rock
Dark Wave
Electroclash
Electronicore
Electropunk
Ethereal wave
Indietronica
New rave
Space rock
Synthpop
Eurodance
Bubblegum dance
Italo dance
Turbofolk
Hardcore/Hard dance
Bouncy house
Bouncy techno
Breakcore
Darkcore
Digital hardcore
Doomcore
Dubstyle
Gabber
Happy hardcore
Hardstyle
Jumpstyle
Makina
Speedcore
UK hardcore
Hi-NRG
Eurobeat
Hard NRG
New Beat
House
Acid house
Chicago house
Deep house
Diva house
Dutch house
Electro house
French house
Funky house
Future house
Ghetto house
Hardbag
Hip house
Italo house
Latin house
Minimal house/Microhouse
Progressive house
Rave music
Tech house
Tribal house
UK hard house
US garage
Vocal house
Industrial
Aggrotech
Coldwave
Cybergrind
Dark electro
Death industrial
Electronic body music
Futurepop
Electro-industrial
Industrial metal
Neue Deutsche Härte
Industrial rock
Noise
Japanoise
Power noise
Power electronics
Witch House/Drag
Post-disco
Boogie
Dance-pop
Electropop
Progressive
Techno
Acid techno
Detroit techno
Free tekno
Ghettotech
Minimal
Nortec
Tecno brega
Techno-DNB
Toytown Techno
Trance
Acid trance
Classic trance
Dream trance
Goa trance / Psychedelic trance
Dark psytrance
Full on
Psyprog
Psybreaks
Suomisaundi
Hard trance
Tech trance
Uplifting trance
Orchestral Uplifting
Vocal trance
UK garage
2-step
Bassline
Breakstep
Dubstep
Trap
Funky
Grime
Speed garage
Future Bass

 

Want to accept or not. In most of the famous songs, these 2 countries are always at the top and other ones are just watching what they do.

For every genre you focus, you'd see these 2 countries. These 2 countries' musical culture, education, novel and innovative motivations discriminate them from the others.

I don't think, the passing of the time changes this reality a lot. Other countries have been doomed to failure, extinction and moribund death.

 

It's all to do with marketing and control, historically the 5 largest record labels in the world were based in these two countries, and they specialized in music that was lyrically neutral, i.e. international.

That is not to say there wasn't an abundant pool of talent ready and waiting to be scouted and developed in these two countries, but it was mainly all about money and business. These record companies were fabulously successful at what they did.

 

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Not to deny US influence to say the least BUT, i'm 51 and without all the goth, new wave, neo romantics, industrial, darkwave and synthpop bands all originated in the UK, my life would have been very different. And for those who will bring up Kraftwerk as usual, this is not synthpop nor new wave. It's Krautrock. German Krautrock.
Who will deny the new wave overwhelming influence from 1979 to 1986?

You can take my word for it. Being french and loving synths in the eighties was the equivalent of being a martian socially crucified each and everyday...

 

As interesting, creative and argumentative as this debate is, who cares?!? REALLY?

L-E-T-S---M-A-K-E---M-U-S-I-C

The above 3 word statement is ALL that I care about. Well, that and the how to's provided for the software available to us all. ;)

 

Papa Wemba died about three weeks ago in a middle of a concert. He was a legend in Africa in general, and his country Congo as well, many people celebrated him in France also. He was signed by Peter Gabriel in the 80s, did concerts with him. His death made the headlines here. He repopularised in Africa a traditional music called Rumba which is now internationaly known, and has been for more than two decades now. It's not in your list Foster but it is a popular music. The world is a big place, people dance and enjoy life on all kind of songs. Your world is small Foster it's a shame.

 

I feel in general, that the U.S. will have THEE biggest negative impact on music... since all genres will get watered-the-fuck-down to increase revenue, and appeal to mindless, culturally deficient, cradle-to-grave-marketing-saturated morons. Luckily, some of us americans somehow were born with the God-given ability to think for ourselves, and NOT allow marketing firms to choose our interests, but instead, seek out our own.

Look at the UK, and how REAL Dubstep started there (and continues to thrive still), but got TOTALLY butt-raped, and turned into Skrillex and all that Brostep twat-step nonsense. Dont get me wrong, LUCKILY, there are examples of quality Deep Dubstep outfits in the U.S., i.e. Sure State... but other than a few here and there, the UK is where its at... well, that goes for dance related genres... although excellent dark/insutrial techno is probably more a Europe thing... maybe... but Im not really using techno as an example right now.

As for amazing Indie-Rock bands and shit?.. I would not be able to say that the UK is better than US, and vice-versa... as there is soooooooo much amazing independent music from all over the world... as long as you were born with the ability to "seek out" art on your own... as opposed to letting the marketing firms choose for you... which is more of an american issue... Europe, the UK and elsewhere, seems to breed more citizens that can think for themselves... welll, I suppose, one must count the ever growing population of Islamic militant mental-midgets... which honestly? makes americans look like they are ALL able to establish unique thoughts once in awhile.

and I will take my "warning and possible punishment" off the air...

 

Don't limit your vision. Europe as a whole has a rich history of creating the finest art known to mankind, would it be music, literature, visual arts, architecture, any known art form, you name it. I don't see how UK or US alone could rival a rich cultural heritage of Europe. And why there even should be a competition in the first place? Music and art in general is not about fighting. It should be a complete opposite of war and destruction and must represent peace and harmony.

Tchaikovsky once said that "Music is the world's treasury, to which every nation of this world brings their own gold for the common good".

One couldn't have worded it better.

 

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Kind of. But you've also got to remember that the songs [jigs and reels] the first European settlers [mainly Scottish and Irish] took to the USA also had a big influence on early Blues music. They used to say that with regards to the piano, the left hand came from Africa [swing, rhythm] and the right hand came from Europe [melody, progressions]. Even Rock 'n' Roll is an admixture of Country/Blues through a lineage that also includes Western Swing and there's lots of European influence in the first Country music as there are no aboriginal white Americans.

It's been a long history of back and forth across the Atlantic ever since. The Beatles and the Stones took the black music they heard and created their own versions, with the Stones in particular obviously being directly influenced by the Blues. Whilst the Beatles had access to American records much of the rest of the country couldn't access through Liverpool being a massive port dealing with US ships/sailors and the tunes/records they brought with them.

Even as recent as the global dance music explosion of the late 80's. House and Techno definitely came from Chicago and Detroit, but Techno especially was influenced by European electronic music of the early 80's. And I think even the Americans would acknowledge that the worldwide dance music boom that started in the late 80's wouldn't have happened in the way it did if Brits hadn't mixed dancing to House/Techno in fields, abandoned warehouses and/or clubs in Ibiza with ecstasy and realised what a potent combination it was. Hardcore [you know the score!]/Jungle/ Drum and Bass/Garage/Dubstep is on what's called the 'Hardcore Continuum' that began in 1988 with the advent of Acid House and is still arguably continuing to this day. But you've also got to heavily include West Indian/Caribbean culture in that mix as well.

I suppose the only really pure American music of the last 50 years is Hip-Hop, apart from Kraftwerk/Planet Rock I can't think of much of a European influence on its evolution? The oral tradition of rapping is definitely influenced by Jamaican toasting, but also the work songs slaves sang in the fields. Whilst much of the musical element is ripped from soul/funk. I can't honestly think where there's much of a European influence in either of those really?

 

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I won't argue with you about this.. but name a few REAL dubstep producers from the UK please.. as I am already familiar with
the wannabes skrillex etc in the US... I'm no aficionado of the genre but I have heard a few of the tracks I like...

I am more on the UK side of this argument.. though the seeds of creation may have been sown in the US, the UK did a much
better job of developing it, and even if punk started in the US , not many people are aware of that... and UK punk just took
on a lot of different directions... and I doubt there were any white boy ska bands in the US until you Brits fed it back to us
(correct me if I'm wrong on dat )

 

@Herr Durr
Skream is one of the best examples of original uk dubstep. He has dubstep records dating back to 2005 (possibly even older).
He quit dubstep because of the noisy mess it became- artists like skrillex (though he is not the worst!) are to blame.