Upgrading from a Ryzen 2700 to Ryzen 5700x, questions about audio

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    Hello all, hope you're having a great day/morning/night/evening!

    I'm considering the upgrade in the title, and according to Userbenchmarks it should do a nice +33% to +55% speed boost. And these chips have come to a reasonable price following the shortages.

    Now, while this is for my home "do it all" machine which is not only audio I'm trying to figure out how it has worked for people who've done something similar. I've got a decent setup, but I'm not looking to go for a higher TDP than 2700 has, that is 65W. Otherwise I'd have to potentially invest in a new mainboard, power supply, and cooling.

    This machine is a hybrid, it does my dev/work stuff, audio, and on the occasion gaming (in that order). So while I've got the dev side figured out from the specs/reviews I'm asking really if anyone who has done a similar upgrade and has any feedback?

    My reasoning is this: I'm not upgrading my whole system just yet, but a new CPU could make this one sing for a couple of years at least. And as I'm working more from home I'm setting up more local services, and esp. more containers and VMs on this box, network latency is a bitch.

    So basically if you've upgraded from 2xxx to a 3xxx or 5xxx I'd be keen to know what you think.

    Do not: Suggest an Intel chip, while the latest look good I'm not yet willing to change my mainboard and potentially my PSU/cooling. Do not tell me to wait for AM5, which I'm doing already, but I don't buy first-gen stuff anymore, so I'm waiting a couple of years at least to see bugs squashed and performance quantified. Do not tell me that I could do with less cores than 8.

     
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    You left no choice except "Do It!":bleh:.
     
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    Yeah I kind of painted myself into a corner here didn't I? :yes:

    But I'd be keen to hear from other peoples' experiences.
     
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    I'd honestly wait for a full motherboard change with the next chipset, if you aren't currently running into any issues with your machine. I'm running a 5600X, and I upgraded from an old i5 3570 last october. I like it a lot, but if I lived in a place where I could easily get my hands on DDR5 and newer hardware without insane markups by third party sellers, I would have waited for the next wave. Though, needless to say, I'm pretty happy with my 5600X (despite AMD being a tad more unstable than my previous Intel). I'm running a similar setup: dev, music and games.
     
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    I read you. But I'm not really looking for a full upgrade (MB+PSU+Memory etc.) for a couple of years, instead I'm considering extending the lifespan of this system a couple of years, and then the next-gen stuff should be viable, tested, and hopefully reasonably priced.

    The upgrade from a 3570 to a 5600X seems like a similar delta as the one I'm considering (perhaps a bit more here though).

    The thing is, why I'm even thinking about this, is to run more services on this box (VMware + Docker and some local databases), because I'm working a lot from home and the connection latency to "real" servers is starting to bog me down. Add to this building software, I'm used to heavy parallel builds (that's why I'm not willing to downsize the core amount), but as I'm not close to the build servers anything that saves me the CI upload/build/download cycle is good and speeds me up.
     
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    perhaps an offtopic comment from me, but..
    have you considered setting a proper dedicated home server machine(s) then?
    I mean, I don't think you really need something better than Ryzen 2700 because you would have already upgraded by now,
    so maybe you want a second PC (maybe some refurbished stuff) just to mess around and make it your Xpenology/TrueNAS whatever rig?
    it's much cheaper to have few moderately-specced PCs around rather than everything stuck onto one extreme workstation,
    I'm personally at point thinking about making my old 5820K rig (basically on par with 2700) be some high-end server, which could fit my usecases with M1 MacMini, old MacBooks and few Synology NASes,
    afterall, electricity isn't that much expensive yet to justify purchase of new more efficient PC over a refurb computers, especially when it's all non-critical messing around VM fun stuff - nowadays one can literally get 320GB ram and 80 cpu threads of processing power with 10 dirt-cheap HP desktops from 2011-2014 era...
    :chilling:
     
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    I would update for more performance. I would upgrade by buying a better CPU cooler to cool the additional power.
    You stay at 65 watts. Power supply and everything else remains unchanged, because AM4 standard.

    AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.4 GHz (Vermeer) AM4 - boxed without cooler- 65 watts, plus a new CPU cooler.
    My recommendation Noctua NH-D15 https://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-cooler-retail/nh-d15
     
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    If you already got the mobo no problem with updating..

    But for a new build I'd wait and base it on the upcoming AM5 platform.
     
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    Guys, phumb-reh is asking for your experience with similar upgrade.
    Anyone have done this and noticed an improvement for audio application?
     
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    Hey thanks, and Noctua's gear is rock-fucking-solid.

    But I've got cooling sorted, I'm using a Cooler Master 212 with 2 fans in a push-pull configuration which keeps the temps down.

    That 65W TDP is a hard limit though, hence the 5700X instead of, say, a 5900.
     
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    I have considered this, but the addition of one more server is a no go for me at the moment. Yeah, I've repurposed my previous systems to run Proxmox, but going further requires more space and more cooling, not to mention the noise. And yes, the systems are already at capacity so regardless of how hard I've tried, it doesn't help me much. The build step is the biggest burden, not actually running the services.
     
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    5700X is 65W, you're looking at something else
     
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    Have 5700G (with graphic) in use, works great for latest Live 11.

    Do it.
     
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    Go for it, then. I totally understand how some dev tools (especially Docker) can really get to the nerves when they're not running as smooth as they should. I'm the kind of dev who has to make it work in some absurd scenarios (like Atom servers), so I'm used to micro-optimize everything on Linux to keep things running as smooth as possible. I wish the 5700X was available back when I built this 5600X machine, because it's the best value for a CPU right now. So yeah, I think you won't regret it.

    My experience was greatly improved with the jump from the 3570 to the 5600X, though the biggest thing in audio I noticed are a lot less pops and crackles running 64 samples low latency (3.5msec input, 4.5 output). They're kinda rare now, and if they happen, I just keep the 64 samples and put my Yamaha mixer to stable latency, and they're gone. Before, I had to bump it to 128 samples. Everything else kinda stays the same, mixing and mastering are a bit easier on the CPU, but it's not like it was really hard before. Your jump is a bit smaller than mine, so you might not really feel much of a change in the audio side.
     
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    Thank you! This is the feedback I was looking for. As an Ableton user this is very good.

    Might I ask what was your previous system?
     
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    Fantastic, since I've clocked the dev side to improve and this solidifies that. I'm happy with the audio performance and I'm really glad it's not downgraded for you, and soonish not for me either!

    If I can ask one more thing, how's the temperatures/noise after the upgrade you did?

    And fuck me, dealing with Atoms is something I don't have to do anymore, I feel your pain here.
     
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    Temps are way higher than my previous Intel (at around 10°C more), but AMD insists these chips can go up to 100°C without any issues. I believe them, but I can't be comfortable with my stuff going that high. Right now, it's sitting at 42~45°C with light usage (room temp should be around 22°C), which is pretty good. If I leave it alone for a while, it can go as low as 35°C, but it heavily depends on if it's cool outside. I'm used to seeing it get to around 50~55°C during normal use, and touching the 80s when gaming during summer. My CPU cooler is a Hyper 212 Turbo, so it's nothing heavy duty and seems to be in the ballpark of what AMD expects for an entry-level/mid-level cooler. As for the noise, my CPU cooler is pretty quiet. When it spins up, the GPU is usually also under use, so it masks the noise away by becoming a jet engine (since it's a blower style GTX 970 that I can't wait to replace).
     
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    a notebook system from 2016 with an intel mobile CPU, so not really strong. some 7th gen i5. So very weak system.

    But the 5700G runs the DSP56300 virus C emu with ease, while i could barely play one key on the notebook with it.
     
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