Unsupported keyboard to Mackie Control in LPX

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  1. ohmowl

    ohmowl Newbie

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    Hy, i would like to use a generic keyboard (2 octaves, 8 pads x various banks and 8 knobs) in Logic Pro X as a Mackie controller, but it's an "unsupported" control surface...
    Controller assignments are useful, but too cumbersome and limited. And Logic sometimes "forgets" port inputs in controller assignments, it's a long known bug, so it's a downer.
    Smart Controls are fine and have their place, but are too much single channel and "presets" oriented.
    I would like to make some primitive mixing with my little keyboard :)

    So i'm considering what my options are:

    - LC Xmu: this software would be ideal, but looks like abandonware and the developer states it's totally discontinued. I don't even know if this would work on recent macOs versions (is anyone still using it?)
    - Bome Translator: i'd still have to put together my own preset i think, and it seems quite a lot of work, but maybe doable for me.
    - Building a dedicated Logic Environment: it would be very interesting, and i'm very tempted, but it would feel like reinventing the wheel. Another Con: in principle i could not use this translation with other DAWs (unless i keep Logic open and use strange midi routings).
    Buy a supported control surface (the eternal G.A.S. option) :)

    I'm listening to your ideas, thanks :bow:
     
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  3. Smoove Grooves

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    The word 'unsupported' means nothing. Don't worry about it.
    As long as it has 5-pin din MIDI, or MIDI via USB, you're all good.
    Specifically though, you won't be using the keyboard as a Mackie controller, you'll just use the keyboard & pots to trigger the controllers that you need. And it won't be as versatile as a Mackie!
    Plus, I wouldn't try to marry up the keyboard with some Mackie preset that Logic may have. If that's even possible.
    20 years ago, the word Environment made me shiver! But it's not so bad now in newer Logic. Even so, my head sometimes still aches!

    A new control surface is the way forward!
     
  4. ohmowl

    ohmowl Newbie

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    Thanks Smoove Grooves,

    I've already used controller assignments i.e. to control Logic's integrated Channel EQ and it's quite fun, i've my little configuration to call each band, relative OR absolute Freq... it's a pity that you have to configure each and every plugin... and for example you can't control let's say 2 identical Gain plugins in the same channel (that's one specific problem i have, i'd like to do a bit of gain staging).

    With a Mackie emulation of some sort i could experiment with the thrill of emulated Vpots :D I'm so curious!

    Good to know that the Environment is somehow better now, i'm still on LPX 10.3.3, but i'm transitioning to Mojave and LPX 10.4.7. There's already one Enviroment somewhere that deals with Environment > IAC bus > Mackie protocol. That would be a crazy deal of control for a Mackie simulation.

    Meanwhile i'm reading Bome MIDI Translator's manual, it seems you can do great things with it, somehow a better interface with multiple presets, switches, "chord" triggers, and "double clicks" on the keys (it would impossibile in the Environment, unless you are in play mode: afaik there is no concept of "delay" or "time trigger" inside the Environment when the project is not playing).

    The compatibility with other Mackie supporting editing softwares it's another point for Bome MIDI Translator, as it's standalone. I hope there's no sensible lag and it would be transparent.

    Mackie "commands" are 112, a DIY emulation seems very feasible, and making it it's the only way i have to test it for now.

    Appendix – Default mapping (decimal)
    Faders: Pitch Bend on channels 1-9
    V-Pots: CC 16-23 on channel 1 Jog Wheel: CC 60 on channel 1
    Switches: NoteOn on channel 1, note numbers follow:
    Note number Function
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    0 rec/rdy 1
    1 rec/rdy 2
    2 rec/rdy 3
    3 rec/rdy 4
    4 rec/rdy 5
    5 rec/rdy 6
    6 rec/rdy 7
    7 rec/rdy 8
    8 solo 1
    9 solo 2
    10 solo 3
    11 solo 4
    12 solo 5
    13 solo 6
    14 solo 7
    15 solo 8
    16 mute 1
    17 mute 2
    18 mute 3
    19 mute 4
    20 mute 5
    21 mute 6
    22 mute 7
    23 mute 8
    24 select 1
    25 select 2
    26 select 3
    27 select 4
    28 select 5
    29 select 6
    30 select 7
    31 select 8
    32 v-pot push 1
    33 v-pot push 2
    34 v-pot push 3
    35 v-pot push 4
    36 v-pot push 5
    37 v-pot push 6
    38 v-pot push 7
    39 v-pot push 8
    40 assignment: track
    41 assignment: send
    42 assignment: pan/surround
    43 assignment: plug-in
    44 assignment: eq
    45 assignment: instrument
    46 fader banks: bank left
    47 fader banks: bank right
    48 fader banks: channel left
    49 fader banks: channel right
    50 flip
    51 global view
    52 name/value
    53 smpte/beats
    54 f1
    55 f2
    56 f3
    57 f4
    58 f5
    59 f6
    60 f7
    61 f8
    62 global view: midi tracks
    63 global view: inputs
    64 global view: audio tracks
    65 global view: audio instrument
    66 global view: aux
    67 global view: busses
    68 global view: outputs
    69 global view: user
    70 shift
    71 option
    72 control
    73 command/alt
    74 automation: read/off
    75 automation: write
    76 automation: trim
    77 automation: touch
    78 automation: latch
    79 group
    80 utilities: save
    81 utilities: undo
    82 utilities: cancel
    83 utilities: enter
    84 marker
    85 nudge
    86 cycle
    87 drop
    88 replace
    89 click
    90 solo
    91 rewind
    92 fast forward
    93 stop
    94 play
    95 record
    96 cursor up
    97 cursor down
    98 cursor left
    99 cursor right
    100 zoom
    101 scrub
    102 user switch a
    103 user switch b
    104 fader touch 1
    105 fader touch 2
    106 fader touch 3
    107 fader touch 4
    108 fader touch 5
    109 fader touch 6
    110 fader touch 7
    111 fader touch 8
    112 fader touch master
     
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