Udio changes ToS, disables downloads of creations, settles with industry.

Discussion in 'Ai for Music' started by xorome, Oct 31, 2025 at 10:23 AM.

  1. PulseWave

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    Yes, it was originally a legal dispute. Universal Music Group (UMG) and other major labels sued Udio in 2024, accusing the AI music company of using copyrighted music without permission to train its models. However, the case was not decided in court but recently (at the end of October 2025) ended with an out-of-court settlement.
     
  2. ddpp

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    Sadly, whether these startup companies succeed or not, the cat is out of the bag. The technology itself will never go away … unless all of the models are somehow seized and destroyed (impossible). There will always be ai music from now on.
     
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  3. ItsFine

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    It is the same battle than working class has done for centuries ... and we already know how they ended.
    https://grokipedia.com/page/Luddite

    At the end, AI will simply eat everything it can, like industry done with manual workers.
    "Virtual internet world" was the last portion of the world without "automated" revolution.
    It is going to be faster than ever in human history.

    1st agrarian revolution : millenaries
    2nd industrial revolution : centuries
    3rd services (tertiary) revolution : decades
    4th AI revolution : less than a decade

    Remember : all this started around 2021 only.
    Less than 5 years ago.

    Amazon is kicking 14 000 ppl, UPS 34 000 ... only THIS month.
    Do the math in years passed and to come.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bu...-ai-are-companies-actually-getting-rcna240221

    ppl thinking they can "stop it" are like luddites (read above).
    I can already tell you "big studios" are going to loose their fight in the long run.
    And actors too. And music industry too. And ...
     
  4. Lois Lane

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    The impact of replacing the currently employed with robots or software will be in the very near future much more devastating than it was in the early 1800's when looms were mechanized. There are now billions worldwide who will be directly negatively impacted. There is no plan at all of how to cloth, feed and shelter those with no income. It's just a few years away.

     
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  6. ArticStorm

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    Neither of them -- is doing anything for the artists. The audio material is just the product they are fighting for, nothing else.

    Gosh i hate AI music ...
     
  7. Xupito

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    OMG sooo good :rofl::rofl::rofl:

    At least they fought between them for a while. I know, not much of a consolation
     
  8. Dorzan

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    That honestly just seems like they're trying to push the narrative
    The same guys and investors whose money's deep in AI music, they promised success and they still waiting for it to blow.

    They simply can't profit off AI music if it isn't popular, the system always relies on the audience.
    That's probably just an attempt to make people THINK they should be listening to Xania Monet, coz she has a "deal"...
    Its the old trick, fake success to get success.

    Timbaland is trying really HARD to push his AI artist, with very minimal success
    Even with his top connections, money and every tool at his disposal to make it work.

    It would be pretty insightful to know how much % of the music industry yearly revenue is generated by an audience who does not care at all about the artist... That's where AI music could tap into

    Think of those AI influencers that blew up last year on Instagram. They even got paid to be in very popular brands...
    (back when AI humans looked VERY fake)
    since there was no such person, people never engaged about it.
    It was popular simply out of curiosity, not real connection.

    Meanwhile Justin Bieber can post a picture about a fly on the wall and get 3M likes. That's where the money is. numbers do matter
    Of course he's a huge influencer, but the same principle can be seen at a much smaller scale.
    AI is simply not engaging for brands, luxury fragrances still invest HEAVILY into getting the latest face to promote their new product.
    Rihanna did 30 times her music money with Fenty, the brand only worked thanks to her influence in music

    You won't hear much in the future about "Xania Monet"... it was a flop from the start
    If only the song on its own mattered, we wouldn't see the same artist have 2-3 songs simultaneously on Top 50
    That's the artist itself trending, not the song

    Of course i could be wrong, I'm not an expert or anything in the business
     
  9. Davey Jones

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    They're working on one in conjunction with Udio.
     
  10. Davey Jones

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    Suno's next in line.
     
  11. MalachiSATX

    MalachiSATX Noisemaker

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    This is the most important point. We all know what it can do now and eventually some open source model trained on all of the copyright stuff will emerge. It can't be stopped. Maybe 100% AI generated songs can be detected but if you create in AI, dump to DAW, and your own instruments/flavor/touch it will be undetectable. These lawsuits are making tons of money for lawyers and in the long run will be ineffective.
     
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