Maybe you're looking for the p-word.

There's products being released constantly which make it easier to combine old songs in new ways.

Is it productive? Yes.
Is it creative? You decide.

NB: I make mashups & mixes.

 

Now that your question is more precise, it's easier to answer.
No all those pre-made / pre-programed things don't have to limit creativity.
First of all because you can mix them with more personal work, examples: you are writing a piece and you need to compress a drum, but you want to concentrate on the writing, so at least for the moment, you will use one of these 1 button compressors. Or you need a guitar part but your not a guitarist, you will use sampled phrases instead of stoping your work and search for a guitarist.
Not every painters create their own pigment, they are still painting original pieces.

If the whole piece is made of pre-made things, well it still a creation, I know it's difficult to admit when like me you are from the pre digital generation, but some people really does art that way. Even though it's obviously much more difficult to get an original result.

 

You found a cable on the floor?

 

Constraints can really help creativity. I wrote a paper on it. Here's a short little summary on constraints and creativity :
Edit: Fixed horrible typos. Haha.

https://www.inc.com/thomas-oppong/for-a-more-creative-brain-embrace-constraints.html

 

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If you think some of these vst´s or vsti´s are limiting your creativity, it´s all in your brain and your problem. It´s actually the same thing whether your working with A.I or real person, it´s still collaboration, well you can´t argue with computer like human in the same waySometimes it works and sometimes not. Nobody´s forced to use any of these options, and you can simply ignore them, now move a long, and life continues

 

U whrite this ? Exelent. I think the same. Just for that i say " too much limited creatived".
Thanks for share!

 

Oly, te respondo en español porque me es mas fácil mas que nada por la comprensión del texto.
Si yo se que ayuda rápidamente. Tenes una idea y enseguida tenes esa herramienta que te ayuda y sigues componiendo. Yo canto, toco el bajo , la guitarra y piano. Y creeme que los plugins me han ayudado muchísimo para con los instrumentos. Ya que tengo que grabar todo.
Sabras que no es lo mismo comprimir, ecualziar, etc. Un sample, que una guitarra grabada.
Pero a lo que voy es que...( y no hablo solo por mi, hablo en líneas generales).
Hay empresas que te sacan un plugins con unos graficos sorprendentes y te ponen unos botones llamtivos, etc. Y sabes que pasa...estamos viendo y no escuando.
Nos dejamos llevar por el diseño y no por el sonido.
Has cerrado los ojos y escuchado si realemnte el plugin te esta ayudando ? O solo te esta mostrando una interfaz llamativa. Yo lo he hecho y me di cuenta que muchos plugins son puro diseño y solo es mercado( vender).

Muchos dicen que he desvirtuado el tema
Pero cuando digo que hay " demasiado " . Abarca todas estas cosas . Y muchos plugins le restan a los otros.
Tu dices que estas componiendo y pum...metes un compresor con ataque y release prederminados ( de un solo boton ) o asi fuera una eq. Y siguen con tu trabajo. Y te permite seguis. No te engañes. Ahora tu oido se acostumbró a ese sonido, esa auto compresion o auto eq, etc. Luego sera dificil que puedas escuchar el sonido puro.

 

Eso, no lo puedes afirmar. Llevo años (muchos) componiendo y mezclando y mi oído está acostumbrado a diferenciar una maqueta de un producto final, es sólo una cuestión de acostumbrarse a esa flexibilidad auditiva. Es decir mientras estoy componiendo, me doy cuenta todo el tiempo que la batería con su compresor malo no suena bien, pero suena menos peor que sin él. Cuando me pongo a mezclar, quito todas estas mierdas y me concentro en el sonido en si, con mis exigencias bien altas.
No se puede generalizar, no hay leyes , depende de cada uno y de cómo hace las cosas.
Pero al final, aún si tuvieras la razón, prefiero mil veces hacer música que este bien escrita y suene mal que el contrario.

 

No me mal interpretes , Oly. Cuando dije " ahora tu oido se a acostumbrado " me refiero en términos generales. Tampoco quiero decir que si o si tiene que ser asi. A mi me ha pasado y a colegas tambien. Como cuando te acostumbras a escuchar una versión de una canción ,suele a haber tendencia a preferir la original . Porque el oído se ah acostumbrado. Insisto, no digo que sea para todos , ni sea ru caso. Pero a mucha gente le pasa.
Por ejemplo , se dice que a la hora de producir una canciones sean 3 personas diferenres las que hagan esto . Los que graban, uno que mezcla , y otro que masteriza. Justamente por lo que te mencioné. Si vos tenes esa virtud , facilidad , poder de adapracion , como sea. Te felicito. Me atrevo a decir que no muchos lo tienen. Yo soy uno de esos. Grabe una guitarra y cuando quiero re hacerla, me es imposible. Siento que esa toma es unica.
De hecho un artista famoso de aca , tambien mencionó lo mismo. Que cada grabación era única y tmb creo que se debe a lo mismo. Que el oido ya registro ese sonido como tal.

 

Hi @ryck
I look at it this way, which is very different to you; and this may be less relevant now that most DAWs give you everything you need, but I'm coming at it as a MIDI user since MIDI was invented, and as you know, it wasn't always like this.

If you suddenly need a hammer for a certain task (or let's say perhaps a more uncommon tool, like a certain grade of sand-paper) but you don't have it in your tool-kit, you buy one and learn how to use it.
That's it.

Until the next time you suddenly have to have a certain type of piano (upright/grand/baby grand-Jap/German etc), or a certain sound that is only obtainable from a certain retro synth, or your plate reverb isn't as convincing as a different one from another company, then you are all set.
If the job/work/track requires it, you buy the tool.
Only own & learn a tool when it is required.

Also, a 'chord-maker' type app, or some hardware that can send out such info from one key or button, is only doing exactly the same behind the scenes as what we would do in the '80s & '90s: eg. send several layers of MIDI to the same synth, but with each layer transposed so that one note will actually trigger several notes of a chord.
Having been on the ride since the beginning of MIDI, I'd never pay for an app that does what I can set up with MIDI in five minutes.

I want to say "don't believe the hype!". Ozone doesn't "do it all for you" imo. No preset can ever know what my song is like, and is only useful as a starting point. Yes, some convincing masters can be obtained with just Ozone, and it has some great features, but it's just what we already have access to, except dolled up a bit. Plus I never would allocate all mastering EQ and compression to just one plugin, preferring to use a few instances of each of those things in subtle ways. It's the way most top producers have always worked, in my experience.

I hear your original comment mentioned a lot, and it seems to come from people who aren't instrumental musicians, or have a different understanding of how music is created. ie. I have an idea for a track in mind, with most of the parts & the arrangement already worked out in my head, and then I sit down and bring it into the world. It's very rare I'm going to sit down and noodle/play around with a plugin or something, just to see if an idea happens. Of course, it often may happen. But when it is your profession, this isn't always energy efficient!

I hope this is food for thought, and that I don't seem off-key to you. It's just my opinion.
But of course, conversely, I, for one, do need many different instruments (especially pianos) to draw from when I'm called to work live or in the studio! lol.

 

Does this mean I have to scrap my new album that I just made with Band In A Box?

 

Im agree whit u. But is diferent. Cause u know what u want.
I feel ( when i say " to much" ). people seeking a starting idea of a plugin. instead of having an idea and seek a plugin for your idea.and as I said before I speak not only to me if I do not talk about where you are going to industry.
And that summed up by a single button.
I do not say it in general as well but I see there is a tendency in this

anyway I agree with you and with what other reviewers said in plugins use when you really need so my question wasif there was too much and we were learning how to use what already existed

Pd : my piano favorite was " the grand 2 " ( from steinberg) i never listen the same sound. Of course have aswome others piano.

 

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And very good they are too, if you are one & the same as who I think you are!
Did u do those vids you put up, that are getting loads of hits on YT?
If so, much respect! If not, at least you appreciate good, creative, technical work.

 

I'm from an era where 1MB of sample time on a 12-bit AKAI sampler cost a small fortune. It was an exciting time to produce music back then and I was lucky to use all that retro/ vintage gear that everyone raves about these days.

I'd never go back to those days and swap the fantastic DAW's/ VST's we have access to now though!

 

Yes.

 

Indeed! It was a good one at the time, and still sounds great.
I listen back to old tracks & gigs when I used some of the older ones, including that and Emotional Piano, Virtual Piano, NI Akoustic Piano etc, and I guess I always got the best out of them at the time because it still sounds alright. But only I know how much of a bitch it was to be lacking the depth of velocity layers as we have now! And to have to tailor velocity curves for every single instrument! haha.

 

To make sure, here's my Mashups/edits: https://hearthis.at/jZGMYrcb/

Which one(s)? https://www.youtube.com/user/junh1024/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=0

 

Other piano im rember is " ivory" very big gigas.
I remeber that you said of velocity.there were notes that sounded very soft and others that sounded very strong.I remember a song I had to start calm and then grew more intense and the battery that had sounded very loud or very soft or sounds and did not know how to do and I had to edit the audio part by.
But more epic was the time when I started
Whit cakewalk ( sonar) . No havent velocity hahahaa

 

[QUOTE = "Zenarcist, post: 433175, member: 2446"] Does this mean I have to scrap my new album that I just made with Band In A Box? [/ QUOTE]

Sorry, but yes. Friends don't let friends....

 

Too much is never a good thing, having too many plug-ins or physical outboard, can be a creative bottleneck. To me it's very important to be selective and learn how to use the tools at 100%.