Apparently she uploaded the original video herself. I felt so sick after watching it. What a world where she's making bank for her "music" and real artists go almost without notice.

 

"real" artists can sell their soul anytime

its a bad deal, but im sure the devil wont mind

 

Like Robert Johnson at the Crossroads?

Wiki: According to legend, as a young man living on a plantation in rural Mississippi, Johnson had a tremendous desire to become a great blues musician. He was instructed to take his guitar to a crossroad near Dockery Plantation at midnight. There he was met by a large black man (the devil) who took the guitar and tuned it. The devil played a few songs and then returned the guitar to Johnson, giving him mastery of the instrument. This was a deal with the devil mirroring the legend of Faust. In exchange for his soul, Johnson was able to create the blues for which he became famous.

 

i would not recommend it!

Mastery comes through persistent repeated effort, there is no cheap shortcut

 

I remember while playing lead guitar in a band in the late 80's, thinking I don't care how much I practice, I'll never play as fast as Yngwie Malmsteen or Steve Vai. I've just plateaued at the level I am at now. So I satisfied myself by realizing that even though I didn't sound like them, they didn't sound like me also. I've heard plenty of other musicians that worked diligently to copy someone else's sound, and in the end they lost their own uniqueness.
So for me, the challenge turned from I want to play like this guy does to I want to craft music that matches and showcases my own personal style. That is the one place where I believe an artist will truly shine, in their own crafted element.
The same thing happened to me vocally as well. Funny thing was, though, I took exactly the same path. Seems that I wasn't able to apply this concept to vocals from the beginning, but the realization came much sooner.
Now I am trying to apply the same thought process to production. Production is difficult because it relies heavily on technical details, as well as creativity. But all I can do is keep trying to get better through practice. Reference listening is useful because it tells you how far off track you have gotten, but it is never the destination you are trying to reach because you want your productions to be "you".

 

haha But but but........it worked for Johnson. :D

I tried it myself - nothing happened. I recommend everybody tries to sell their soul to the devil for something they desperately want. Try asking for world peace? He doesn't show up.

That's a different story about "selling out", perhaps?

The only thing I remember Lemmy saying (in interviews - I didn't know him) was, ".....if you had a guitar, women would take their clothes off. And if you could play it, they came off a whole lot quicker!"

There's art to be found even in the desperation of "making it ".

 

Dont recommend things you dont understand out of ridicule. What our minds are and how they are interwoven with the rest of reality is a mystery.

So if someone really believes that the devil may appear to them, they might get a psychological illness from your recommendation

not that you care

 

Music production is kind of a zen thing.Its the little things that you need to train your ears to pay attention to.
Its all about detail, kind of like growing a bonsai tree.

Reward awaits the patient one-
Von Steyr-

 

Sorry, but no. Even if you have no belief in the devil, this idea, on every metaphorical and moral level is just wrong. occult practice is not something to mess around with and just accepting the idea of that type of barter is dangerous and opens doors.
I also don't believe that applying socialism or any political system is a way to bring about the "world peace" we all so eagerly await. Politics by nature and definition is an organized system of segregation and the entire idea would vanish once the whole is actually made one.

 

He was such a warm character

 

But that's exactly why I recommend it.

How will you know otherwise? Most everyone knows some mythical variant of "selling one's soul to the devil". So most everyone has the fear that comes with it - it assumes a devil, evil, malevolence. But try it - and nothing happens - and you're set a little bit more free. Well, I was. And it's implicit in the logic of it.

Or don't you believe it? ;) If you don't test the veracity of demons you will never know they don't exist.

OTOH, if it *is* true that there's a devil, that you have a soul, and that you can sell it .....then hadn't you better know?

Oh, I do care, fwiw. I was assuming "normal" folk. But with suitable supervision I would also recommend the same to mentally ill folk: face your fear. It's a central part of mental therapies, sfaik.

The Crossroads thing is mythical but it's about "selling out" in what is usually regarded in a kinda cool way. It's odd.

Yes, I get that. And that would be my most general advice, maybe. But if you actually want to address your own primal/supernatural fears there is nothing better than stepping up to the plate and embracing it. When nothing happens..........you are changed. Just like if you are frightened of the dark and trees - go stand in a forest at night for long enough and see what happens? You just get cold. It's a hugely positive step to take. But it was just a throwaway comment. :D

Nobody has ever asked me to sell out. Other than to stay alive.

 

Why?

We're not talking perfection.

And socialism isn't an "idea" - it's materialist. It isn't about the idea - it's about reality. Marx "stood Hegel on his head". It isn't about ideas - it's about what is real. Ideas only approximate and justify what is real.

 

If your heart is full of pain, make music...now where did I hear that? Oh...great idea, spacetime! The seconds tic on by, again and again and again and again.

 

Lol yes he was SHAO KHAN

 

I've seen too much and know better. This is a general statement and not directed at you specifically @G String , but it would be very short-sighted and small minded to think something will happen as soon as we ask, just because we want it. Prayer works the same way. It's always answered, just rarely ever in the time, place or way we expect. Time is a very different concept to a being who exists outside of it.

Selling your soul in an attempt to discover you actually have a soul to sell is not a wise way to soul search.

 

I'm surprised that nobody pulled me up for the ABBA song I posted earlier on in the discussion Of course I was being a little bit ironic, as this song (and the band) are responsible for launching an avalanche of copycats, including Max Martin, Dr Luke, Stargate, etc, and zillions of hits.

But SOS is still a great song with a solid structure, as shown by John Frusciante's stripped back cover version. Note the A major for A minor chord substitution (key of Dm).

 

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Ah, well, I wasn't counting on folk who actually believe it. ;) I've again forgotten not everybody thinks as I do.

Yes, yours is a good argument. The weakest part is that you assert one's prayers will *always be answered within one's own lifetime*. You didn't explicitly say it, but that's the logic of your words. To me I can only see that people pray they will survive cancer, but they don't. People pray they will die, but they don't. So, I can more easily accept prayers are "heard" but not answered - at least not in the fashion wished (by the wisher) nor in their own lifetime. Why limit it?

But I don't believe any of it. I was fed my culture's angels and devils and funnily enough that's what my mind generates left to its own devices (and LSD)

But I'm still left going, "Huh?"

Anyway, it's true - if you ask the Devil to call around he won't. Well, not if you're as useless to Him as me.

Dare you ask? :D

 

haha

It didn't exactly get a thumbs up, did it?

I had intended to post that Dancing Queen was better, but .....pfffft. Plenty in this thread denigrates pop music (hell, why not?) but pop music is brilliant. Great tunes should be playable on any simple arrangement - like that Frusciante SOS. Try and totally screw a version of SOS? Or Dancing Queen? I loved that Frusky SOS. It's not the production - it's the song.

 

They've got some good songs, but SOS was the start of the 'european' chords, strong melodies with a big chorus, so I went with that Of course they also mixed elements of pop, rock and dance beats (some producers used R&B beats in the 90's onwards), but the formula is all there. I'd say ABBA are a very good band to study if you are interested in making pop music. Even Dave Grohl was influenced by them!

 

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The problem is people believing in invisible boogeymen. When in reality, you work hard with the potential you have, strive, and make sacrifices. There's no secret occult waiting to steal your soul or your first born. There's no demonic message in pop songs played backwards. That's all psychological nonsense and a justification for your lack of dedication and hustle. The blue print to success isn't complex. It's been the same for laymen since forever.