There are things that you are not considering, and one of them is that, that dog can be the engine for that person who is on the street. If he said "I'm not selling it for a car" it is proof enough that it is of great value to him. And the worst thing we can do is take away "that something" that motivates him.
It's also not okay to put everyone in the same bag. I don't think it's very comfortable to live on the street when you're cold, hungry, etc. Do you think that's comfort?
There is a background behind these people. There is a serious psychological problem. Being on the street is slowly killing your mental health. And it's not as simple as you make it out to be. The homeless man goes out looking for a job and gets it and problem solved. I don't know how it will be in the United States, I don't live there to tell you. But here you need a place to bathe, clothes, shave. Or do you think that the homeless go out looking for work and get everything dirty like that. It would have to be someone with a big heart to give him that job. Also if you could get one it will be to earn some coins since in your condition with too much luck you will get something little payment. And it's a circle in which you don't go out if you don't have someone's help.

 

And what proof would the man have that she would actually care for the dog and give it a loving supportive home?? Maybe she is an abusive person with anger issues who might harm the dog. Maybe she intends to swipe it and sell it for profit. Or maybe she intends to eat the dog. Who knows? Are you going to ask her to write a written legal contract with guarantees regarding right to ownership and adoption, temporary assignment of custody and have that signed, notarized and recorded in court records? And what right does she have to forcefully claim the dog? What law is there that says she is entitled to the dog just because the man is homeless? There are numerous homeless veterans suffering from PTSD and other mental health issues who take surprisingly good care of their pets, and care much more for their wellbeing than their own. In fact, the dogs often get more love and affection than from most pet owners who spend minimal time with their pets other than to feed and walk the dog. And who's to say homeless people aren't allowed to have a pet. It is their personal right and not for us to decide.

https://www.fredvictor.org/2019/07/...eless-people-and-their-pets-you-need-to-know/

 

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@Ryck - Why not make part of the agreement she has to take the dog to a vet 3 times a year, get shots PLUS allow visitation after work in the evenings? Sounds like another win/win... Also, here in the USA, homeless are given free cell phones, free clothes including free suites for job interviews, free shelter with shower & toilet. Wanna take a guess who pays for it all while most go back to stabbing their arms with needles right after the interview?

@korniceman3000 - Skip allowing the stranger to take care of the pup. Take it to a no kill shelter & work out an agreement with them.... She doesnt have the right to take the dog without his consent... Never said homeless couldn't own a pet. My point is homeless are typically lazy, selfish, mentally disturbed drug abusers or a combo of those attributes. If he wanted the best for the pet he would provide better living situations. The street is not safe for either of them PERIOD.


I dont care how much he "loves" this animal. There's nothing more selfish & stupid concerning the well being of the pup than allow it to be with this guy on the street. Brutally honest? Yup....

 

Wow. You know where is not safe for a dog? When it is mangy, has medical issues (and big possible upcoming bills)? Where it is NOT SAFE for that animal is being taken by Animal Control.

Are you under the illusion of Daddy Warbucks coming to pick the animal up and take it to a nice new suburban house? That dog will get a needle after it sits in a cage for a month and no-one else wants it. But "We" do certainly pay for that via taxation at the Local level.

I could not see this happening here frequently. Too many homeless people carry guns too.

 

You're absolutely right about Animal Control. They treat animals worse than the Amish. I mentioned taking it to a No Kill shelter. Plenty of those around. Heck many need help which could be a job opportunity for the homeless dude.

 

What you say is a bit contradictory.
Because on the one hand you say that it does not justify the dog being stolen but on the other you say that you should have negotiated with the thief? I don't find logic.
Based on your point of view, then a person with better purchasing power can steal from you a pet or a loved one because they can give you a better life than the one you give them and you should negotiate with that person who takes that something away from you. if it makes a lot of sense

 

very true and sad

 

Guys, the subject is easy to get emotional over if you are a dog lover. But just remember the thread is old. And that dog has probably already had his day.

 

I might not have been clear.. I meant he should have negotiated with her when she approached him the first time.

 

I've seen fabulously wealthy people with high cost veterinarians in the most exclusive enclave in America never let their dog off the leash, never let their dog socialize with other dogs, dress them up in restrictive costumes and only buy their "precious children" from horrid dog mills instead of rescuing a pup from a shelter. Homeless men on the street should take these poor animals away from the sickening abuse to care for them and so find true love and affection. The abusive life in a $25,000,000 mansion in Belair, California is no place for a pet.

 

Why do people love their dogs? The dog is the only one who is happy when you come home.

The dog does not talk to you. He doesn't take away your TV remote control and switch from sports to soap opera. He (mostly) does what you ask him to do. As long as you buy dog food he is your best friend. Once the dog figures out how to open the dog food cans, you will become obsolete as a dog owner.

 

So we're arguing 2 extremes now? Homeless person loves pet, but cant guarantee if the pet will eat today. & botox billionaire bimbos who restrict natural canine social behaviors & dress them like children because they cant have babies due to botched plastic surgeries? lol..... Keep in mind I do not hate any of you. I just like getting into arguments every once in awhile lol.

 

Are you people STILL going on and on about that bloody dog? Get a grip on reality, other important things are happening in the world.

 

Quite a few of those more important things are good subjects of discussion to run afoul of the rules here.

 

This word damned is more likely to come from American movies. This is a forum where everyone can discuss.
Open a topic of your own which interests you. Rest assured everyone cares about the reality they live in.
Please be a little more tolerant and don't treat your fellow human beings like morons and children.

 

Take my dog? Better not, or you'll hear the pop from my Glock
Reach around & feel the wetness on your buttocks!

 

In some American cities, the dogs have to hold heat too.

 

Fuck yea, my brother's dachshund Benny always has his back in downtown Detroit!

 

I don't think it's really like that at all. Surely if he could open his food can he would be more independent, but he would come back to you because he loves you. And you can see many cases like that.
You have seen the case of the tiger that was raised by two brothers when he was little and then when he was one year old they released him into his natural habitat because he was dangerous. They returned to that part where they released him and the tiger ran back and jumped on them to "kiss" them. And just like these cases I have seen many. Animals go beyond a meal.

That is the wonderful thing, having different points of view, I think that as a society, that is the only way to achieve new results, seeing things from different points of view.

No, you are wrong, or you have not read correctly. It's not just about a dog, it's about human values too, it's about people who live on the street and who may be on the verge of suicide or falling into drugs, etc. And that a dog helps them get ahead, maybe. And it's also about how a person with purchasing power who can afford a lawyer, steals his dog, and not just "a damn dog", as you say, his only company and maybe his life expectancy, do you think that It's not important? there are more important things, sure, there are less important things, too.

something else, anyone can end up on the street, nobody has anything insured. I have seen here a very famous businessman who now walks in the streets asking for coins. Life takes many turns.

 

Hopefully it was a pitbull and they put it down...