There's a F'n Monster Inside my DX7 & It's Waiting to be Released!

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  1. FadedShadows

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    Just found a nice DX7 the other day and had a little fun hooking it up with Logic Pro. I was actually shocked to kinds of sounds I was able to get out of it.



    IMHO, the difference between a Real DX7 and those Synth Clones like Dexed, Arturia, and FM8, is the character. The VST clones just can't compare to the real thing! The reason is simple, Most VST Plugins just have no real Soul!

    Let's take for example here an original Yamaha DX7 FM Synth; A staple synth found in most the Top 40-1980's Pop songs. Why? It just had a certain sound to it that cuts into a mix. Some say it was due to the complexity of how the FM synth was designed. To me, it was the soul of the machine that defined the era, dirty Low-Fi 12 bit sounds, with a mean-ass low-end, that is a character! Some say this is due to the original power supply and ROM chip!

    Hell NO! The real reason... There's a F'n monster that lives insides my DX7 and is waiting to be released! Just wait for it, just wait for it! You will hear it! LOL! Just with some cool FX tricks, I was able to get something really cool. I can only imagine when I start getting into the real thick of the things when I start designing my own DX7 sounds in my genres like Industrial Metal, Psytrance and maybe some Dubstep. This thing is a beast!

    I'm using 'Dexed' as my Sysex MIDI Editor and Librarian with Logic Pro X, 10.3.

    My Logic Pro X FX Chain:
    Orginal Yamaha DX7 - Mono out, duplicated to two Audio Channels, hard panned Left and Right. Both Channels have a Pitch shifter enabled for each to eliminate phase cancelation. This creates a very nice FX Harmonizer effect. Then both channels are thrown into a summing bus. On the master summing bus; I have, Modulation Delay, Bit Crusher, and Distortion, and I bus from that a separate aux channel for ghostly sounding reverb. Gnarly Nasty Sounds!
     
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  3. techdevil

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    There one in my garage I've not played in years.... its covered in cobwebs..... I'd be nervous to switch it on...
    Bloody weighs a ton, used to have to lug that around...
     
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    This is what we would like to believe when we pay for hardware, but the cruel truth is that ...........: just a placebo effect :)
     
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  5. FadedShadows

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    OK, Let's pretend I agree with you... if buying a real synth gives me the extra charge in energy, "Placebo" or not, to create something and bump me out of a dry spell, then Hell Yes it's worth it! I do hear a real difference with the character of its 12-bit Low-fi sounds and its power supply humming in a distinct flavor of pops and cracks, like a an old record.

    A VST Clone will always have the cookie cutter flavor from its original programming, which is always too clean and harsh. Don't get me wrong, there are some synth clones I love and find inspiration from. U-He's Zebra & Hive, Spectrasonics Omnisphere, Xfer's Serum. Heck, I'll find some sounds in reFX's Nessus that inspire me too.

    However, I have to ask, was it a real synth sampled in that over-priced Rompler or a Clone that makes it sound os great?
     
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    Please Release The Monster, It does not want to be caged in a garage! ;-) Try bringing it to life with a series of Guitar FX pedals. You will be supprised!
     
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  7. westfinch

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    Welcome to the eighties. I've aged 30yrs since then. DX7 VST is much easier io take to a gig. :guru:
     
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  8. FadedShadows

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    True, If I had to gig, The real DX7 would be left at home. Give a test on the difference between a real one vs a VST to a regular Joe off the street, they won't be able to tell or care about it. Does it really matter, probably not, but hey at least it makes great discussion? ;-)
     
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    But you neither can put an ashtray on it, nor a sixpack of beer. :guru: upload_2018-3-18_2-3-4.gif
     
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    To be honest I have, a DX-7 in the garage, a Nordlead 2 in the hall cupboard, a Alesis Ion, Yamaha FB-01, Cheetah MS-6, Roland SH-101, Akia S1000 and several drum machines, inc. TR series in the loft, DAT machines, FX units and over 30 years of other kit stuffed in various corners. I just don't have the room to stack all this kit and considering I spend most of my time looking at a computer monitor I find the convenience of sticking a soft synth through guitar rig much simpler and practical than explaining to the wife why my room looks like an explosion in a spaghetti factory. I also have room on my desk for a 6 pack of beer.
    I currently have one "real" synth on my desk and that's the Moog Sub 37, then there's a NI Komplete Kontrol 61 Mk2 and a Machine MK3, Machine Jam. 2 X Rack FX by TC and Lexicon and a Kaoss Pad all wired into a 6 core PC running Cubase and a shit load of soft. Finally a digital field recorder, and a couple of good mics.
    I remember the days I would spend hunched over a patch book manually inputting patches on the DX, or recovering from the hernia I gave myself setting it all up and quite frankly I don't miss it.
    At this point I have to confess that having all this "ready made" stuff can make you sound a bit generic, and you have to be a bit more experimental with your sources to avoid that, but if you bear that in mind, I wish I was 25 years younger and had access to all the kit you do now.
     
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    its not analogic technology, what are you talking about ? Soul .....
    Is FM technology fun to toy with ? Yes.
    Does it have soul ? Come on, its digital, like a vst plug in

    Excited with his new toy, we get it
     
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    Yeh, sorry m8, having my own rant. I'm please for you its a real bit of history and they don't build em like that anymore....
    Look, select Coarse Frequency on the main operator and jiggle that single encoder about like crazy, in the 80s people though you where weird when you did that, now for some reason they think your a god.....! :)
     
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    Welcome to the real world of FM synthesis.
    Have fun man !
    I am still enjoying mine after 32 years :wink:
     
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    Memories, memories... :rofl:
     
  15. massichat

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    Of course, everything is ok to optimize the comfort and the desire to create, absolutely ALL!
    There was even a discussion about the skins, some guys said it's stupid to download these bullshit, but a lot of people said that a skin is like a studio set and that changes a lot in the feeling, especially when you spend hours on the DAW.
    So yes, with hardware, we can talk about "feeling" different and even better, we can talk about the desire to create and not to postpone more (because of the difficulty of saving the session with all the parameters) we can talk about dynamism related to parameterization (because of the proximity of the physical knobs).
    But to say that the sound Hardware is different or better sound Software, it's completely wrong, it's even the opposite (some soft emulation provides a correction and improvement to the sound hardware, but not the opposite !).
    We have already proved several times that it is IMPOSSIBLE, even for an expert to differentiate a sound coming from a synth hardware, and the one from his software or VST.
     
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    Nothing can touch my original and ancient Korg MS-20, it sounds different depending on the weather! Haha.
     
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