No , I'm not picking the song .
That was a different question.
The question was from your perspective
What a high quality song.
Mine ( with music theory)
Was that song .
My question to music theory deniers is what a very high quality song ( that was made ignorantly of theory )
As far as percentages of good songs I don't follow you .
As far your accusation to me of being removed blah blah
That's why I asked to setup where you can convert these accusations into to real world . Somone selects a song you make the best version of it you can and I will make the best version I can of it.
That way we can see if your imagination ( accusation )matches reality ( how good or not I am how detached or not I am.
Are you in?
I don't think you want a contest to see who can better craft imaginative insults ( however disconnected from the actual people involved.)
It's getting so bad that instead of reading my comment to see what is actually about , you don't even care to make arguments applicable to my comments .next you make these accusations which are entirely in your imagination ( you are ignorant of my capabilities unless you have the courage to do the challenge.

 

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It's not that drummers are not musicians that's a obvious strawman fallacy( but not a strawman used as a joke like how you used it)
It's that a drummer playing on his own or say recording drums or building up a beat by itself.
That is rhythm . One component of music but not music on its own.
You have to have
1.melody
2.harmony.
3.rhythm
To be music

It seems to be the main problem is people with the concept of harmony .
Harmony can be 4 note chords up to12 note chords
Or it does not have to be chords IF
You have multiple independent melodies where the collision of their notes build up a 4 note chord up to 12 note chord.

If you remove ( or never put it in to begin with)
The harmony component from music .
You just have melody and rhythm .
It's empty shallow .
( If someone loves and is satisfied with empty shallow " music" , then great for them)
My argument is a person should want empty shallow music, the same degree they want empty shallow anything in their life.
Some people want empty shallow sex life.
Some people want Empty shallow friendships
Some people want empty shallow films and books.
If someone wants empty shallow " music"
They are allowed to have it and good for them

I'm just simply arguing that human beings are built such that anything empty and shallow in our life leaves us not meeting the requirement ( need) we set forth to meet when accepting the empty shallow thing to begin with.
When it comes to a person who creates music I. Am Arguing that meaningful and depth in music defeats empty and shallow music , in the exact way meaningful and depth X defeats empty and shallow X .it's the reality we were born into . It does not take a rocket scientist to realize it either.

 

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I jammed with him and Delmar Brown and I thought I'd died and went to heaven.

 

Whats "best" according to you and why do you THINK so?

Complex vs simple

 

Here is a guy showing how music knowledge 9f harmony improves your writing

 

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I don't know about that.
you just use your ears and listen you whats there, no matter how little there is.
you then you get a sensation, that you link to feelings. then your mind starts to take over and wants to take it all apart and try to put everything into sepperate boxes.

it SEEMS that you dont let your self FEEL anything when doing music, but your OVER-analazying everything FOR THE SAKE OF IT.

then you come here, and we all know what sort of threads you start. both good and bad

 

If I had to think when I composed I could never ever express my emotion, passion or will the song to my own or the listener's satisfaction. It is only after creation that music can be broken down and explained, how too'd and examined in minutiae. Anyway, this is true for my own process. What is distilled from the aether of all is filtered by everything that I have felt emotionally and witnessed, read or imagined, what has touched my heart. As I write I am aware of what is thought of as theory, but it does in no way dictate my musical responses.

 

I'm going to take letters of alphabet and
USE MY EYES
To create something ready?

Fdschjf5fUkvg jg hdh hhfcjj gfhb

I used my eyes , didn't it come out just as good any other combination that letters could be in?

 

This is the ways it's supposed to be , it means your doing things the right way.

 

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You consider the options and come up with best 5 then compare them in the context.
It's a matter of making a list and prioritizing to come up with best option.
( Just have to be aware of every option first , because you cannot select from things you are ignorant of only aware of)
Think of your spoken language, and the actual comment you write which I am responding to here
You had the idea and could have responded thousand different ways but you prioritized and selected the way you thought best to express the idea.
It's the exact same with music ( it's a language too just like your spoken one)

 

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OMG hahahahhaa

 

To be totally honest with you, I believe you do have an obsessive compulsive disorder. You are fixated on something that nobody else cares about to the extent you do, yet you persist in wishing to supply supporting evidence that your views are superior. Which as I've said cannot be measured, so why do you persist when it is clear we have all lost interest in your theories.
My suggestion is that you drop music theory and turn your ritalin enriched brain to philosophy where you can postulate to your hearts content and any outlandish hypothesis will be neither accepted nor nullified. You can espouse any thought that comes into your head all day and all night. Leave the music to musicians. This is not a healthy place for your specific talents and knowledge.
Read, Aristotle, Hume, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard and find a new forum. You'll be happier and we'll be happier.

 

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@MMJ2017
I liked where you were going with the NLS stacking, I just spend 20 minutes trying to find the end of it NEED TO HAVE IT lol! What’s step 3 and 4 after the “analogue” and “comp” stack? I like using the IK Lurrsen. Would you personally do the same technique on the stereo summing bounce pre master? It would be awesome if you kept the original topic going my man! Cheers!

 

Just signed up to the forum and this was the first thread I went to! So my deepest apologizes for being a “newbie”. I am worthy!

 

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!!!!===== Breaking News ===== !!!!

True Fact, not joking - 'AZ - you know where' provides download for book "Music Theory for Dummies"

Don't all break the server in the stampede !!!

But nice to see this at the start of Chapter 1....

"One of the most important things to remember about music theory is that music came first. Music existed for thousands of years before theory came along to explain what people were trying to accomplish when pounding on their drums. So don’t ever think that you can’t be a good musician just because you’ve never taken a theory class. In fact, if you are a good musician, you likely already know a lot of theory. You simply may not know the terminology or technicalities. The concepts and rules that make up music theory are much like the grammatical rules that govern written language (which also came along after people had successfully discovered how to talk to one another)."

Ah well - clearly written by dummies.

p.s. just as a serious comment about the Music Theory for Dummies book.
Even though some of the Music Theory in the book might be well written (don't know - haven't had a serious look) it's a shame that the authors have immediately tied the work to reading and writing Music Notation, which is really a separate concept from Music Theory. For some people that is a deterrent. Some of the best stuff I've explored in Music Theory ignores traditional Music Notation entirely.


Tough choices now for everyone....
How to choose between...
a) this thread
b) book "Music Theory for Dummies"
c) Hundreds of thousands of coherent well-presented multi-media resources on that funny thing called the Internet.

mmmmmm??? let me think about that for a minute?

 

Repent Ad Heesive!! You have shunned the word of the Prophet MMJ and turned against the Goddess Terpsichore and sinned by suggesting music existed before theory! How could primitive man have whistled a tune without knowing that if he choose A as tonic, then he could theoretically label the notes of the C major scale using A = 1, B = 2, C = 3. Why we would never have tamed the Wolf for only through the mellifluous tones of the correct modes did the savage beast come to see us as his master. I postulate that wolves would be the earth's dominant species had early hominids not understood music theory. The fossil record supports me with no room for error.