Composers, just a few, who played the shit out their instruments.

 

I'll add this:

 

I was scrambling my brains over trying to remember this. Thanks for posting this master playing one of his masterpieces.

 

It is also very sad when a composer is unable to properly perform his own work. One example is Prokofiev on the piano, mutilating his own ideas.
Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYIpsAZYhxc

 

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There are many paths that one can take to arrive at one's destination. I find it moot, to discuss the perfect path, when it is actually the journey that will mold the individual, that will modulate his thoughts, that will form him as he forms his music.

Surely we can agree the best thing for this world is more wonderful music. Any path we can follow that teaches us how to accomplish this is worthwhile, even though some may turn out to be dead ends, requiring us to find a new path.

There is no single way,as there is no single type of music.

 

It is only sad if you consider the performer to be above the composition. Stravinsky was a composer. Some of his own less popular end of life works he could not play but nobody would call him a crap composer or musician. At some point, he probably could play everything he heard. The ears do not stop working just because the body does. Stephen Hawking is a perfect example of a genius who could conceptualize things no average person could hope to fathom, but his body prevented him from being capable of physically implementing any of his ideas.

 

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It is sad because when there is synergy between composer and performer, a magnificent result is obtained, as the example of Rachmaninov shows. No one has been able to match his performances of his own works, let alone surpass them.
The same claims were made for J. S. Bach and Mozart in their time.

 

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No one claimed that a composer who does not know how to play his instrument well should be considered "a crap composer or musician".
Stephen Hawking was an English theoretical physicist and cosmologist, the first to set out a theory of cosmology explained by a union of the general theory of relativity and quantum mechanics. So how his body could possibly prevent him from being capable of 'physically implementing' any of his ideas?

 

Ummm... did you not know Hawking had amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and was confined to a wheelchair and could barely physically function?
I thought that was common knowledge. He could not pick anything up PHYSICALLY. Pretty obvious really. To look into a telescope, he could not do it physically without someone shifting his life-support system. Or for that matter, anything that required any form of laboratory work.
You stated "It is also very sad when a composer is unable to properly perform his own work. One example is Prokofiev on the piano, mutilating his own ideas." - It's definitely not a compliment to his performance skills. Also pretty obvious. Which part is not putting down his performing skills???

Reiterating, being unable to perform one's own composition is only sad if the performance is valued above the music (composition) itself.

 

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wise man

 

It refers to his physical abilities in private life. But it cannot be said that this prevented him from physically realizing his idea of black hole radiation.

 

I was speaking in the direct meaning, not the semantics. He could not physically implement it himself. Realization is cerebral not physical too. I get what you imply now, he cerebrally realized how it could be physically implemented.

 

Is this a thinly veiled euphemism for notoriously having an eye for the laydeez?

 

The sad thing is also that music quickly saturates us. Therefore, even the best composers had to continuously create new works, whether they had inspiration or not. It is also the reason for the flood of mediocre or completely unimportant works, as well as musical fashion, due to which even valuable works are neglected as 'outdated'. The composers themselves don't care much about their past achievements; they are the past for them, out of the flow of their current mood and urge to create.

 

well not so much that, (saturation) as one must continue to practice to continue to create, and everything that comes out of the fingers is not a greatest hits. Its like fishing, you go to the lake everyday, and throw your line in and see what you can pull out.

substitute, piano, guitar etc for line, and substitute practice and composition for the lake, and voila..

you can't get a fresh water tuna everyday, but once in awhile the loch ness monster takes a nibble..

it is true once the muse has moved through you, the composition becomes an interesting object, but no longer your current lust, however if it is done well it can be returned to and polished and appreciated.

Prince, always ran the tape decks when he played piano, cause you never know what will pop out that you find interesting. We are very lucky to live in a time where we can capture our ideas in real time with so little effort and to have the tools to polish and manipulate them as much as pleases us for as long as we want to pursue it.

 

Playing with notes is always placed after the creation of the piece. First there must be something, then it can be performed. The main issue is creation for now. Working with notes is different from playing with notes. Working with notes is the work of a composer and playing with notes is a instrumentalist's.
In addition, a piece of a large number of musical instruments is used in it, how can you expect a composer to perform the whole music?
The composer can only perform the reduced form of the piece for a particular instrument.

 

I am looking for somewhere on this site where I can click: "Never show this on my feed again". Unfortunately, it does not exist.

 

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Of course one can.

 

I think you think like players.
Players are not in the mood to think much about the structure of the music and are just in a hurry to play a piece someone wrote for them.

 

Dear Lord.

This is such an obviously sad cry for recognition.

Please feel free to post some of your own work in order to enlighten those of is who are actually making a living via composition.

Id be fascinated.