Taylor wouldn't be a good example or roll model, no pun intended. Since she is a fabrication and just another fingerdoll of the industry. She hasn't made anything. She is where she is because she's put there and willing to shuvle shit for insane amounts of $. Full stop. And the false idol adoration comes as a bonus for her and her peers. (.. they're called Alpha-narcisists)
Rather look at let's say John Mayer or, Rezz to name two ends of the spectrum. These guys actually got themselves on the a-list and are both
respectively very talented musicians and everything they have they built, before the biggie stepped in and signed them and teleported them onto a higher level, what we today refer to as mainstream. This is the reason that many new young artists get a 360 deal if and when they get signed. But there's many more to mention but for examples sake I wont. Swift, nop. The mere fact that it has signed with UM proves that point. She is a vehicle like many others on that very list for mass manipulation and a cash cow for a record company that is so big and at the top of the list of the masonic social engineering bankers that there's no two ways about it. Perhaps Sony can top it. These cats are not there to make music; there there to make money off little kids and program them to think, feel and act a certain way down the road. This is an old concept run a muck. Think Beatles and Tavistock. But I've said enough.
Making it in the industry shouldn't be the goal of any serious musician or band. It should be music and creating it, sharing it. If you're good
and you get yourself out there you WiLL be rewarded. Sometimes in ways you couldn't possibly have imagined ... stay true and don't believe
the hype.

Luiz.

 

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he wanted too ...thats why he is gone...how much did he make for them 200 billions ?
and he was to good rolemodel...i did blv elite lies bout pedo micheal jackson a long time...but thats all lies..
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tyler swift is no good rolemodel at all....and the kids would need good role models but there none anymore , not in common media

sex sex sex...in their minds.....im no conservative grandpa...but thats all to early and to much for healthy growing minds of 11 old kids or younger....sry my english

this industry has become a joke but has a duty ...its obvious
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how dumb it is to talk bout reptiliens aliens deflection ...while agendas got put through media...nobody of any human with brain did ever blv that...its deflection to make seroius discussion bout the real happenings in background not able cause ppl get polarized by the dumbest shit as we can see

 

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I'ma let you finish, but I was just thinking about what you said while going number 2 and then it hit me, ..I'm out of TP... Actually I'm still here at a loss and feeling like the world has gone crazy, this must be what Taylor is feeling as well, accept with issues of success and not TP but I think my point stands

 

Where to start? The exploitation of talent? You think the dude frying burgers down at BK isn’t being exploited for her labour? It’s seems clear to me that John Lennon ran away screaming from being a prefabricated pop star. So, if there’s supposed to be some mysterious in-between state twixt being a rank unknown and being a youth idol in which real musicians thrive and create Art, I’ve never seen it. It’s always people with some of kind of love for making music struggling to make it, and then struggling to keep it. It’s not so much playing a hit that makes you great as playing it for the four thousandth time and meaning it, that separates the gentlemen from the players.

I don’t buy into the Bohemian myth – that there’s some kind of special specialness about being a starving artist in an attic or being a goddam pain the arse prima donna drama queen weird person. Or playing music which almost nobody can relate to. I’ve worked with too many heavy metal acts, where a bricklayer in makeup and a wig pretends he’s the god of hellfire and then whinges for the vocal syrup when the number’s done. It’s all paper tigers. It’s all mythology. And there’s not one whit difference between the mythology of Brian Eno and the mythology of Taylor Swift apart from the sheer scale of it. Say you what you like about Madonna, she employs more Union people moving her stage set around than would ever see the light of day without her.

What is ‘making it’? For most people it’s doing it for the day job and getting by. Most people will never be a megastar. Most people will never get to specify how many bottles of rum they expect to find in their changing room. Most people will never be asked to ventilate an opinion on prime time television. The notion that they got there by sheer dumb luck, or by the malign influence of the illuminati is loser thinking. All performers are narcissists, you couldn’t do it if you weren’t. The saddest thing you ever find in the industry are people who make it and discover that not making it wasn’t the real problem.

So inviting - so enticing to play the part
I could play the wild mutation
As a rock & roll star
I could do with the money
I'm so wiped out with things as they are
I'd send my photograph to my honey - and I'd c'mon like
A regular superstar

I could fall asleep at night
As a rock & roll star
I could fall in love all right
As a rock & roll star

 

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At heart making music is making music, let's not stigmatize the Bohemian nor the Diva. Do either of them create their music ? Then good, after that it's a matter of taste.

But then there is business. And there are a 1000 ways to deal with that, and a lot of other musicians aren't business women, or product placements specialists, they are just musicians, producers and what not. T.Swift is Disney without the attraction parks, she's the product. She is far from being just a diva, or a poorly skilled musician.
That's about all this is about.
Music and Art in general are getting eaten up by commercialism and share holders preoccupations.
Swift is the Koon of pop music. She excels at making crap indeed, but she is also sublime at making young teenagers eat it at a high price.

 

Who is Taylor Swift?

 

WOW.... Who cares about shit music???

 

dude they give up everything and working 25/8 ..no dumbluck involved..and elite is controlling the industry ..blv it or not ..mk ultra can be simpel as fck...no scfi...telepathy is not involved and no aliens like everyone thinks fisrst and say this cucko stuff , so dumb.....
pink as hanged man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hanged_Man_(Tarot_card) on mtv show is just normal besides all the other strange stuff...fo sho..

 

you cant compare john lennon times with todays total shit show times...

and he is gone cause he spread to much love and would become even more of an leader for the ppl.....
john did knew elite well...

 

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Loads and loads and loads of people...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOW_series

 

The best talented artists are not on the light...

 

IMHO if you consider yourself a PRO you should give your personal feelings away as much as possible. Study the industry, production, music trends in all genres. Learn from the past, without nostalgia, but live the present. Like OP said, analyze why someone succeeded and learn parts from it.
You are not "automatically" "cool" if you listen to underground-jazzy-industrial-minimal-hardcore-postfuture operettas only. Like you are not automatically an art genius if you consume loads of smack.. even though there are many (dead) ones who did.

It's true, we fukked this planet (mainly for ourselves) and everything is going to that warm place... But again, if you are a pro - deal with it. You are the "producer", not the consumer. Unless you are off-duty, when you have all the rights to your subjective perspective ;)

 

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There is no objectivity regarding music involved in analyzing another artist commercial success, well as far as the way you feel about the song is involved. It's subjective, it's about taste. If you can give me any objective theoritical element that distinguish Swift songs from any other pop songs, well go ahead bring it on and be objective. An unknown scale or chord progression ? A new type of rythm ? A voice of angel ? Charisma ? Nope. Nope and nope. It doesn't mean anything to bring down the quality of the production to its commercial success. Or to go from commercial success, and search for a hidden artistic quality in things.
Shitty songs and shitty artists have sold a great deal, quality ones sometimes don't, sometimes do.
Your safest bet if you want objectivity regarding the analysis of sales of artist A or B, successfull or not, is to study marketing strategies, product placement, and all that goodness.
You won't be successfull if you reproduce Swift songs in their structures, in her singing or whatever. Not even close, not if you don't have her advertising power. You will if you setup the commercial machine that she has. You would sell burgers, if you had the power to advertise like Mc Donald or BK do, even if your burgers are made with meat coming from horse's feet.

Oh, and Swift artisticommercial formula is pretty easy to circle. Prods are made by the lattest hyppest producers (good for them), chosen for their potential selling powers, writing is made by the most commercialy successfull writers money can buy (good for them, although it doesn't mean the lyrics are good, but they are the ones that sell), tracking in the best studios with the best gear...Etc.
You get a perfect product at the end of the production line. Analyze this.

 

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i like a few of songs from her but i just researched them and they are all very old, the new ones suck for me i couldn't even listen for more than :30 seconds.

by the way this should be in humour, since it's just a bunch of guys saying to each other "i hate shit music!" "no i hate that more!" "who is this i dont care" while giving absolute no contribute to the discussion whatsoever

 

Nothing at all against The Boss, but as a great fan of Lennon I find this quote to be quite haunting..

 

glad this went from swift to Lenon.

 

You mean loads and loads and loads of mindless Sheep, right?