Hello,

I just about finished installing a fresh system, with Win 11 and Ableton 11. Almost everything works but the Omnisphere release is really slow and laggy for some reason this time. Using the latest Moria release and even re-downloaded the latest STEAM library from the site. I have Trilian installed also if that changes anything.

When I open a project with omnisphere sometimes it slows down all of ableton and makes it really sluggish. It's not always happening, but very often. Changing patches and doing anything in Omnisphere takes ages, it sucks! Is it maybe something about scanning the huge library? I have the feeling that sometimes it stops lagging after a few minutes. But not always.

Anybody here had a similar experience or has a solution for this?

Thank you for your help.

EDIT: I have a very fast PC and my previous install (can't remember the release) was running quite snappy.

 

What kind of disk is it installed on? DId you use default/4k block allocation when formatting? Is it NTFS? What's your system? So much information needed to understand your situation.

 

STEAM folder is on a separate NVMe - windows system and the plugin itself are on another NVMe. I can look up the details about the partition tomorrow but I didn't format it actually and it was running fine before.
The system is a legit win 11 with Ableton 11.3.2 from the sister site. Ableton is blocked internet access with the firewall.

 

Yeah unfortunately Omnisphere can be a lugging behemoth compared to a lot of other modern instruments out there these days even in the best of conditions, especially with the other satellite instruments, at least in my anecdotal experience anyway. That said, how full is the SSD where the STEAM folder resides? I know that once you go above 75% of the total capacity of flash storage your performance can start dropping off very quickly, you may need to clear some space on that drive.

 

It's a 500GB NVME SSD, only used for libraries, samples etc. Directly in my mainboard for fast PCIe access.

New Technology File System 3.1
LFS 2.0
Bytes per Cluster 4096

It's the default settings, I've always used default settings.

The system is quite okay. Ryzen 5600 with 32GB of RAM and a couple of NVMes. Usually Omnisphere doesn't noticeably adds to the CPU workload at all.

But I don't know why this should even matter because as I said before, on the same system Omnisphere was running really fast before and didn't freeze Ableton into slow motion.

I think the problem is somewhere else (?)

I just checked and it's 65% full by now actually. (Kontkat Libraries and Omnisphere really does add up). I'll try to move a folder I don't use atm and see what happens..

EDIT: Unfortunately there's almost nothing that I can move to another drive. I also tried re-scanning the Library in the Patch Browser but it's already up-to-date.

 

Since it is the same machine as one that was working OK, I would try installing a different release of Omnisphere. Moria does mostly Mac releases, and I am under the impression Omnisphere is not exactly easy for teams to release. Were you maybe running a version from r2r or VK Danilov? None of the settings in Omnisphere should cause this, but you can do a Restore Defaults and Preferences.

I think that would be the fastest thing you could check, unless you remember having to do OS Tweaks in windows to get it running the last time. You can probably leave the Steam folder where you have it, and just install a different version of the Application so it doesn't take hours to do it.

 

i have R2R and its the same, the problem should somewhere else

same as you, different HD but not SSD and far to be full, win 10 with legit cubase

i think there could be something related to the protection check or something

 

It's a separate NVME just for libraries and samples. Just one big 500GB partition.

The only thing that is different is that before I was using my legit Ableton and I was using an ancient release of Omnisphere (most likely not Moria, maybe it was R2R?).

I just tried re-installing everything following the instructions and it's still the same experience: sometimes snappy, mostly very laggy...

 

Do you have a way to test it outside of Ableton, or does the Ableton you are using lag like this with other Plugin Instruments? How much have you tested the DAW installation since you reinstalled it? Correct Driver and Buffer Settings in Ableton?

If it isn't those possibilities, it is pretty much narrowed down to windows.

 

Last edited: Jun 18, 2023

Running the entire spectrasonics suite (R2R) including keyscape but only to v2.6.1. Left those newer scene versions alone due to the fact they are somewhat temperamental to setup and use. NEVER have problem one with speed, loading, or using any of it. And the steam folder is on a HDD. just fyi...

 

Thanks for all the suggestions.. I checked a lot of forums now and it seems some people have always had massive lagging since version 1, mac or win doesn't matter. Very unfortunate!


I tried Omnisphere standalone, it's the same, very laggy for example when editing envelopes, but changing patches is fast.
Omnisphere latest R2R release .. no difference
Indexing the library again, even deleting and installing Library.. no difference

Now I tried the latest Ableton R2R release (11.2.11 I believe) ... same behavior.
Omnisphere has very little impact on my CPU or hard disk but often when I interact with the GUI my whole DAW is laggy. (just the UI not the audio)

Unpacking and installing the whole 100GB Library just takes four minutes btw, I believe hard disk speed is not the issue like some people suggested earlier.

Maybe it's something with the graphics acceleration? (Does is use some kind of hardware acceleration?)

 

I have the same experience with Ableton and Omnisphere. The whole Ableton GUI lags and freezes when changing presets in Omnisphere, sometimes Omnisphere GUI disappears into the background. It happens with Ableton only, Omnisphere behaves like standalone (reasonably responsive) in Cubase 12 and Bitwig 4.

Resetting Ableton settings and template helps at first, but as you get further into a project the freezing behavior reappears.

Tested with Ableton 10 and 11 multiple versions, multiple versions of Omnisphere (but latest library)

 

Yep, I got the same issue now also. It not Omnisphere I think. Omnisphere was fast for a long time until there was this "moment 3" update for windows 11. And now there are this lagging with both Omnisphere AND Stylus RMX sharing the same issue even in standalone !! So its NOT Abletone. I almost sure of that. I f...ing hate Windows sometimes ! There are always update issues with windows...

 

Last edited: Jul 30, 2023

If they are allowing windoze update to run amok with an open internet connection, that is problematic in itself.

 

hi artic. may i ask what version of ableton are you using? thanks

 

I've had the same issues with win 7 and win 10. On different PCs. And many people report the same, also with MacOS. Makes me think it's some unfortunate combination of drivers/hardware and Omnispheres GUI. It's only the GUI. People keep mentioning the hard drive speed, I have really fast NVME SSDs, several even, I got a Mainboard especially for this, patches load in an instance as well but it still freezes.


It's cursed. I really hope for a nice update.