Smoothest & Most Analog EQ Plugin

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  1. superliquidsunshine

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    A fantastic read, I second the motion!
     
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    I like one of the comments that is bringing some light on what analogue EQs are good for:

    "This is a great article!
    There ARE a couple of points that I think ought to be mentioned though.
    As a designer of EQs (the Sonalksis and Focusrite EQs for example, plus a new one I’m working on at the moment), I can tell you that there are a bunch of different mathematical techniques available for designing digital EQ curves.
    The biggest difference you would expect to see is at the very top end, up near nyquist.
    I imagine you would find that if you added some air with a bell using something like AirEQ, you might need a couple of bands to accurately replicate that.
    It was very unfortunate that your AirEQ example did nothing at the top-end.

    I’d actually go so far as to say that the “cramped” top end that the bilinear transform imparts was partly responsible for the “cold” and “sterile” reputation that early digital audio had. Effectively, the top-end air was getting cut out. For a long time since, the Orfanidis technique has been ubiquitous in well designed EQs, although as good as it is, it’s not necessarily perfect.
    Eiosis overstate the point in their AMLT demonstration (for instance, in their graphs, the gain at nyquist is incorrect, despite the principle of the Orfanidis technique being that it ALWAYS generates the correct nyquist gain), but it is true that if exactly matching the analogue shapes is your objective (which it probably ought to be, since they’re consistent), the differences between the analogue and digital domains mean that a good approximation is the best that can be done.

    For mid frequencies, you’re absolutely right that you shouldn’t expect to see any differences. At the same time, I think creative usage of Q is an excellent skill to develop; and a well-designed EQ (analogue OR digital) will have the gain and Q interact in a productive way – guiding your hand as you work.

    A crucial point that’s often ignored is that these vintage analogue EQs that we get excited about are not interesting because they’re old, nor because they’re analogue, but because THOSE are the designs that were good enough to be remembered. What this tells us is that the interactions and ranges, and overall workflow are good. When what you’re looking for is a tool, a well-designed tool has value. If an EQ makes things sound good in 10 seconds, you can fairly judge that it’s a better-designed EQ than one that takes 10 minutes to get a good sound. Sure the maths is still the maths, as you’ve said, but what matters is not the set of shapes it CAN achieve (which, neglecting >10k, is generally the same set), but which set of shapes the workflow guides you towards.

    Thanks again for a great article!"
     
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    Well, I'm a subscriber since the nineties. That's I'd guess 240 issues. If every mix review used Waves, and the last 120 also used Slate, that's 240 hits out of around 5,000 'hits'. It doesn't justify the claim that most hits are made using Waves and Slate. Mr Dave Pensado is responsible for quite a few hits and rarely records an In The Lair with Waves and I can't ever remember him using a Slate plug. And how do you define 'use'. I know of one very famous lady mixer who swears by the Ren Comp but uses no other Waves plug on a regular basis.

    Confirmation bias is never a good guide.
     
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    I can find some other ones if you want me to.
     
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    I'd rather you found an industry report that dealt with trends in the plugin market.



    One Waves and two Slate. This is the only one I could find.




    Nope none here.




    Or here.




    Or here.

    You see, you'd have to inspect every Pensado video there is and do a count up. But on the basis of probability, he's using many different kinds of plugs, in addition to a few Waves and Slate plugs, and he's constantly changing his mind as time passes and newer items come out.

    You can't prove your claim that most hits are mixed on Waves and Slate. Some are. But you can't prove most, unless you have access to a market summary.
     
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    When it comes to more expensive or just popular plugins, never exclude the possibility of sponsorship. People's gotta eat, eh? :wink:

    And yes, if you work at 96k, the difference between the EQs is definitely smaller since the nyquist is at 48kHz, so cramped frequency and phase doesn't matter that much.

    One should also take into consideration the material you work with, how it's recorded and with what. It's far easier to mix with audio that's been pristinely recorded through a good preamp and other hardware processors, as it's pre-saturated through good "stuff", than doing it all ITB. :wink:
     
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    the guy is right.
     
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    hi guys
    How to install Nebula libraries?
     
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    Everything just magically sweetens up at the top end and becomes less harsh. Combine that with mixing in linear phase to help rid cramping, congestion and phase cancellation and the world is transformed into a more aural friendly place.
     
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    Well, at least they do use one slate and or waves plugin somewhere in their fx chain. :rofl:
     
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