Should I upgrade to windows 11?

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  1. BEAT16

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    I only have Windows 10 because some virtual synthesizers only run on Windows 10. The first Windows 10 had timeouts with an update, I then connected my second emergency PC and can only access the internet with it. I cursed too, what an S ...t System. At some point they had fixed the errors and since then everything has been running smoothly, as they say. But again I don't do that to myself. There is nothing worse than an unstable system. Are we the Laboratory animals ? Yes, we are the free beta testers with nerves like wire ropes.
     
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  2. twoheart

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    That's exactly the problem. MS publishes unfinished OS products that are to be repaired by updates over the time being.
    Most of the time Windows updates are "Banana software, matures at the customer."* :rofl:
    sic!
    And even then I would prefer a clean install. So I would clarify my sentence from before: "Never upgrade a running system!" @Zephor
    Otherwise I transfer all bugs that have built up during Windows' life on my PC to the next version.

    *) https://t2informatik.de/en/smartpedia/banana-principle/
     
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    I don't understand the worries really, Win10 will end support on October 14th, 2025, it's 4 fucking years! Why in the world you feel the need to update so fast to Windows 11? Plus the common rule (especially on Mac, mixer engineers who work in professional studios know this very well) is to wait at least 6 months or one year or even more before upgrading to a new Os, 'cause you have to be 100% sure about stability, you wait and look around checking feedback about it, you should wait a decent amount of time especially if you have to work with it, i really don't expect much improvement from a similar os based on the same hardware, maybe on new machines? Maybe, who knows. Even better, Microsoft slightly changed his mind, apparently you will not be forced to buy or upgrade any hardware at all, but even this it's too much early to be completely sure about the stability on "unsupported" cpus really.
    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...dows-11-tpm-check-bypass-for-unsupported-pcs/
     
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    Not even RTM yet and already needs registry hacks :rofl:
     
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    Ive installed windows 11 yesterday on my computer, I would have to do a fresh install on my pc anyway, so I decided to test windows 11 on my main machine
    Processor: Xeon E5-2620 v3
    Ram: 16gb 2400mhz (but my processor can take only 1866)
    Graphics: Radeon HD 6870 1gb (DX 11)
    2tb of SSD's (non nvmes)
    What I did after installing: I removed everything from windows store (using terminal), only left the email app because I found it very usefull, I also found that windows store apps eat a lot of cpu and ram so I recommend anyone here to do the same if installing windows 10 or 11. After that I installed only my chipset driver and my gpu driver, windows did manage to install everything else by itself. I've seen a PRETTY big improvment in gaming (arround 10 + fps, from 80 fps to 90, thats more than 10% of perfomance gain) and in loadings overall, fl studio projects takes a little bit less time to load compared to windows 10, boot is faster too, till I power my pc up it takes up to 25 secs to enter on the desktop, windows 10 rarelly took less than 40 secs, which is pretty good.
    About audio plugins: they work exactly as on windows 10. (at least the ones I use)
    The system looks way more modern compared to windows 10, the only downsides I can see is that you can't drag a file to the bottom-right side of the screen to show desktop and drop it there anymore, idk why they removed this feature, that was so useful

    But I also heard that AMD processors doesnt do well with windows 11 yet so I think thats up to you hardware... I was expecting pretty bad performance since this processor and gpu are both more than 7 yrs old, but at the end they are working even better than they were in windows 10
     
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  6. SineWave

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    Yes, I've heard about problems with AMD CPUs and Windows 11 on Youtube Linus Tech Tips, I think. So if you have an AMD CPU, forget even trying W11 for the time being.

    Gosh, almost everything about W11 either just plainly sucks, is some kind of a hindrance, or looks suspicious. How much more can Windows users take? I don't get it. :sad:
     
  7. Tob

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    That is not true. You can try it I think it depends on the whole system. I have a ryzen 3900 and it is working flawless until now. No problems at all. All my project are running like on win 10. All my DAWs all my vst & vstis. I did not notice that my system is faster or slower. It just works.
     
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    That's not far off the truth. Twenty-five years ago they would not have dared to treat users like lab rats. Windows 95 just got away with it after several lawsuits in Windows 95 Beta destroying hard disks, followed by the new updated Microsoft EULA that nobody reads because it is a miniature novel. That basically says Microsoft is not responsible for any damage caused to your hardware by their software and if you do not click yes to the EULA, it will not install. if you have issues sleeping read the EULA, you'll find the disclaimer inside it if you can stay awake long enough. :hahaha:
    This is also why corporations who are platinum or gold partners with Microsoft tend not to roll it to their entire user base for six to eighteen months after release. They wait for it to stabilise.

    P>S. - The joke is my workhorse machine which is supposed to be completely incompatible with Win 11 I installed it on. I was ok with it potentially falling over if it failed before I installed it. The machine has never booted or run as smoothly as it does under Win 11. BUT - I would not consider installing it on my DAW machine until it well and truly stabilises.Too many third-party software and driver manufacturers are saying they do not currently support Win 11. When that changes, I'll revisit it.
     
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    Windows 11 is a betatest for the next real Windows. They will test stuff on human guinea pigs in 11 while 10 remains the stable mainstream version. There isn't going to be anything exclusive to 11 compatibility-wise. There aren't any significant performance or feature improvements. It's hard to figure out WTH made it 11 and not just a new 10 service pack. I guess the goofy TPM debacle which they've been forced to cancel. So now Win 11 has no difference to 10 other than the stripped-down GUI and a bit more spyware and telemetry.
     
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    The main goal of Microsoft is to make the company's computers more secure against hacker attacks. The companies lose a lot of money to the hackers. They are also hacked to steal their know-how and knowledge. Of course they want their data - but every company wants your data.
     
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    ... unable to support the current version of Windows (V11).
    As a result, hundreds of millions of new PCs have to be purchased, which then have to be equipped with a new license (at a cost to the OEM).*
    As a result, MS will earn billions of $ from the sale of OS licenses over the next few years.
    Great startegy :knock:


    Why can Microsoft actually afford to deviate from the long-standing rule of eternal compatibility? Didn't we hear Win 10 shoud last forever (and for free)?

    The innovation cycle for PCs in companies is usually 4 to 5 years due to the legal provision for depreciation of assets. Normally companies would never change hardware within this perioad of time.
    According to the situation after Corona and in order to promote digitalization, many countries have special programs for the acquisition of new IT technology for fiscal years 2020/2021 to help companies to mitigate the financial damage caused by Corona.

    This is why MS can use this measure (rendering older hardware unusable with Win11) to encourage companies to dispose of equipment that has not yet been fully depreciated and to buy new equipment.
    As always with subsidies from the government: the manufacturer (MS) earns, and not the buyer saves the subsidy.
    And the private customers will have to follow because there is no future for their systems under Windows 10 after the Win10 EOL.
     
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    Hello, @twoheart, very well recognized, thanks for the knowledge.
     
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