share your approach for getting air

Discussion in 'Mixing and Mastering' started by Auen Fred, Jul 14, 2024.

  1. Smeghead

    Smeghead Kapellmeister

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    BBE... the original snake oil goodizer? Or Aphex Aural Exiter? Or recording your cassette with Dolby on and playing it back without? :wink:
     
  2. Sinus Well

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    The PassEQ is an excellent equalizer in terms of sound. At least the analog unit is. But I have to say that the handling concept never convinced me. And as a plugin - as you said - it makes no sense at all.
     
  3. angie

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    In that case Overloud Gem Dopamine works wonders!
     
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  4. clone

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    This is another one people often put on a send, on a bus group channel. Have you every "finally tried" some hyped up plugin you keep hearing about; and thought to yourself that you really do not see the reason for all the hoopla? A decent percentage of the time, it's either being used or adjusted incorrectly. The rest of the time they are Acustica.
     
  5. ItsFine

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    BBE Maximizer ... of course :D
    And if you think it is "snake oil" ... buy new ears for christmas :bleh:

    I will try Dopamine thanks !

    PS : don't "over use" those effects, because they mess phase and transients/dynamic.
    Like Tone2 synths and effects (using the same tricks in their engines) :rofl:
    In fact, i stay away from them as much as i can. And try to avoid them on master.
     
  6. Auen Fred

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    kool avange....if you know you know...:mad:
     
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  7. Auen Fred

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    pirat did reup old assign rls ....i heard a dozen times that the new versions are not good but many swear on the ancient versions .
    but wtf is up with this dev , so many updates and new versions in the last decade has a bit milking the cow extra extra vibes .
     
  8. Gnosisrausch

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    Simply boosting with an EQ doesn't usually create "good air", according to my experience. What works is either:

    1. Using instrumentation that naturally contributes air.
    2. Sending some of the tracks to a high-passed reverb (ideally the panned instruments. The high pass can be at about 10K). The reverb shouldn't be subtle, but instead the - otherwise nasty - highs should be drenched in reverb. This creates a very smooth high frequency shimmer.
    3. Mixing some additional high-passed and reverb-heavy instrumentation quietly to the sides of the track.
     
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  9. ItsFine

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    @Auen Fred This is technically the same "code content", but BBE co-op with different makers.
    As long as the plugin work, there is no need to buy the new one.
    But it seems old one was not updated by previous "coder/packer" ... so they changed for Nomad Factory.

    About how BBE Sonic Maximizer works, some reading (and code) :
    https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=91439

    Phase shift on high processing seems due to filtering, not delay.
    I was wrong on this point :wink:
    There can be phase shift on bass contour too so ...
     
  10. Riddim Machine

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    Nice! While i was reading this i was figuring out the array of textures you can create with this tecnique. Smokey plates, dirty springs, smooth and modulated algo verbs and so on. Sometimes, clouds are beautiful in the sky. This one i will be trying on the next days, thanks :wink:
     
  11. Auen Fred

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    not that i can do something with it nor really interested in using js or reaper (i did) but reaper always impress and that thread is from 2011
    here:
    There's no need to compile it...

    just create a text file in the "effects" folder in reaper folder and then paste the code there and that's all
    :woot:

    thanks for the link
     
  12. bateson

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    Reaper was option overkill for my taste. when I want air I just put a high shelf eq until it sounds good
     
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  14. Gnosisrausch

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    I noticed that the second technique that I described was probably not 100% unambiguously explained, and as some people took interest in it, I want to clarify here that: The effects return track should include a high pass EQ first (at about 10K, or adjust to taste), and then the heavy reverb. This works, for instance. very well with rhythm guitar tracks that lack air, especially when mixed in subtly :) .
     
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    DDMF 6144
    Apqualizr2
    PSP E27
    Clariphonic by Kush ubk
    exciters by waves, ozone, softube....
    Pulsar Modular stuff
    Crave EQ2, Kirchhoff eq, Equilibrium, ProQ3
    MAAT eqs
    PA LTL Silver Bullet (air)
    Maybe some Pultec emus
    Eiosis eq, aom tranquilizer2, flux epure
    Slate inf eq, Slate fresh air
    Overloud gem dopamine, audiothing type
    Voxengo stuff
    Terry West, some airwindows stuff
    TDR eqs (Nova, VoS slickeq, slickeq m)
    Maybe some of melda, t-racks
    Crave transient eq, split eq (tonal modes)
    Deharshers, deedgers, balancers to unmask edges and harshness, and brighten up some highs..
     
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  17. clone

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    I call this phenomenon the "Magic Version". A very large percentage of the time it is some sort of "elitism". That percentage rapidly increases if something is discontinued completely. Sometimes it does make sense, like say Recycle v2 vs 2.2, when they dumped SCSI support for no reason. Rarely does it have anything to do with the software, other than changes in protection. "i'm going to use Ozone 4 because Jaycen Joshua used it." Yeah, in some ten year old video perhaps. A good reason, is if they change the protection to something yet undefeated.
     
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  18. No Avenger

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    You're sure you didn't forget an EQ? [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  19. Auen Fred

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    interesting sequence
     
  20. Lad Impala

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    what about this one? you should try it on the master bus, for maximum air bring other sliders down too.
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