Same LUFS, different perceived loudness!

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  1. Crater

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    How come, 2 tracks with the same LUFS can be so distinct in perceived volume? Is LUFS trustworthy compared with RMS for example?
     
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    To be simple, human earing is not linear at all. It takes a lot more decibels especially in the low end to sounds equal to the upper mids. Mid range focus is the key to a great mix. Both ends of the spectrum are headroom eaters, especially the low end.
     
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    So true. Makes me think spectrumly... Be wise at both ends :yes: Be proud with your midrange :yes:
     
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    Did you listen to both tracks on a full range loudspeaker or good headphone? If not, you could miss out on some lows, and have a different perception. RMS is a mathematical average of a just certain moment. LUFS is measured over time and has many more parameters.
    https://tech.ebu.ch/docs/tech/tech3341.pdf
     
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    off topic but I really gotta change the Miles.



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    I knew that about human hearing but always thought LUFS took that into account. Feeling like I'm an endless noob.
    U guys are great, thanks for ur answers ;)

    Amazing words. Thanks for sharing. :D

    Thanks so much all comment so far, you are great.
     
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    You're right, LUFS is based on the k-weighted filter curve. However, a mindfulness/instinctiveness of psychoacoustics allows trickeries :winker:
     
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    That's because the LUFS integrated system is vastly different from the momentary system. LUFS is more superior than RMS because LUFS uses some frequency based measurement sort-of-thing. Here's a statement from Fabien of Tokyo Dawn Labs:
     
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