I KNEW IT !!!!

...not for "Reason", but for every DAW currently on the market have common problem. I mean that it would either be shut down or sold or, in the end. The famous protection that prevented and limiting wider useage and further marketing of that program itself must be abolished or lowered down...

I'll try to explain....
Everyone who introduced impenetrable protection at some point slowly lost market share, because young people take what they can, cheap or with broken protection... that means that the programs that are mentioned will have people who will buy it at some point.. and the base will grow and grow...

examples...

Cubase was doing well until version SX 5.. and after that they introduced syncrosoft.. (or whatever it was called) and its popularity started to decline.. it was sold to a company, and later to YAMAHA... the moment they abolished, or at least announced the abolition of syncrosoft, Cubase came through the back door, cracked.. versions 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and now 15... market share has improved... It was popular from 6 to 10.. but... very often just as a wet dream of some beginner who charges 10 euros/dollars per song not hour, per song.. once every three months... for example. Now even a young producer can "afford" Cubase...

Cakewalk... First to Roland, and then to Gibson... Gibson even shut it down, not sold it, shut it down, so that Bandlab bought the rights and had to wait, I think 5 years before releasing Cakewalk by Bandlab... and now!?, Sonar by Bandlab is again a paid DAW. We got it as a Free version or tier how they call it... but it is certainly popular again because at one time it was completely free and people got hooked...

Of course, there are DAW programs that have always had their audience... Pro Tools, Logic, Harrison mixbus.. and so on. But... a big BUT.. (not butt)

Pro Tools is the "industry standard"... although many people are dissatisfied with this subscription system.. Logic is only MAC.. Harrison mixbus was PRIMARILY made for their consoles, i.e. to emulate consoles and integrate console with computer... I remember that it cost too much money at the time (if I remember correctly, about 3000 euros)...

And then we have FL, which has a lifetime once pay system, which suits people and it's no wonder it's popular all the time.. (of course, it's not for all types of producers)

Or another example Reaper.. 60 dollars or EVEN, let's be honest, a neverending evaluation period... Which brings us to the fact that the program is practically free. I remember Frankel explaining on the Forum himself.. that he had to charge for it since version 3.0 because the company that develops of the elastique algorithms sold the license ONLY to paid programs. So Reaper had to become a paid program, despite Justin's promise that it would be free. But, thank God, he found Solomon's solution... and the program has been popular all the time.. (although, let's be honest, Frenkel doesn't need money... but we're talking about popularity)

Reason was popular until version 4 or 5, after that it was almost forgotten... until version 11... when they managed to remove the protection (you know who), but now V13 doesn't appear "on this side"... And their subscription system, again, does not satisfy many users... so...

We are coming to the moment when Reason studio should have become someone else's concern... in this case LANDR.
Well, now... if they do something to increase its popularity. For example, if they release a lot of instruments and/or effects, a player into the main program, plus some simpler solutions, maybe lower protection quality maybe they will attract the younger generation... and if not... I don't know.

Popularity means that famous market share, availability and popularity, to attract users to use the DAW and invest in it tomorrow. Either by purchase, or through marketing, or in some other way. As soon as a program is not selling, it is shut down or abandoned, or go on sale. One way or another. But how to attract newcomers, through usage as the cracked version. Or log time evaluating period. Certainly not 15 or 30 days.

I am afraid that in the future the prices of DAW software will fall. Mostly because of AI, like Suno or similar. They will either merge, or simply shut down. Daws I mean

Our entire, music industry revolves around market share and everyone depends on them... That is why Reason had to be sold.

Of course, this is my opinion. In the end, those who love Reason will love it even more because it will soon be more available. (I think we will see it more often on this or that website.


(Big Disclaimer!!!, this is google translated, maybe has mistake or two in traslating, but essence is in text)

 

To be clear!!!
I am not claiming that cracker groups cooperate with manufacturers, although there have been rumors at one time. I am merely drawing a parallel that these groups do in some way help the companies and enterprises that make software

 

This is a big no-no

Make sure to post threads in the right place, hopefully a moderator will move this to AudioSEX Memorial!

 

After LANDR acquired Synchro Arts back in 2021, Vocalign and Revoice Pro went to hell in a handbasket. They tried to sell a "major upgrade" to current users for outrageous upgrade prices, even though most of the changes were cosmetic. A lot of users revolted, were quite vocal on forums, and refused to purchase the upgrades.

 

that´s what A always claim when buying B: that B´s products, labels, brands, strategy, staff members and support wil not be changed.

and then they change it.

 

How does an application go to "hell in a handbasket" when most of the changes are just cosmetic? The Mac releases from Xmas seem to be working perfectly.

 

You sure about that?

 

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haha, agreed. its still vocalign.

 

1. It gets in the handbasket, 2) It locks the door, 3) It flies down the flaming tracks straight into the bowels of Hades.
Actually, they messed heavily with the GUI and the usability declined. I find myself using Vocalign 5 and ditched 6. The Revoice 6 workflow is a joke. But .... if its working out for you, then be thankful!

 

source? IDK if yt is a good metric but almost every tutorial on yt is mostly made on fl, live or logic. How is studio one more popular than live and fl. Only people I have seen using it are mixing or mastering engineers.

 

Yes, I am sure, but like I said, most of the userbase is non-legit, IL need to step up their marketing, but probably they don't have enough employees to do that.

The most interesting part in the search graph is the fall of Cubase, wow

 

Well, Pro tools was a standard way back in the day, because of their powerful DSP and hardware. It never made sense, if you are not using their stuff. Even like 15 years ago there were great affordable alternatives for extremely low latency recordings, while DSP is not needed considering native processing is more powerful and routing audio to an external DSP system will add latency due to extra data transfer and buffering. In general, there is no sensible return of investment for large group recording sessions nowadays and big and even medium studios are not in a good spot, so the whole advantage of integrated high quality hardware with software is nonexistent when even the "industry" pros are the same as guys in the bedrooms in terms of what they need - bunch of vsts and a laptop...

Harrison Mixbus was introduced for like forty usd since it was based on freeware DAW and later was priced two hundred.
What you think about is Pyramix, it still costs 3200, if you want the full version with all the integration with the hardware

 

I used reason 4 , 5 , and I got really excited with reason 12 but not too excited because my workflow never got me near reason so I only ended up writing sketches and ideas in the reason and then export it for use in another daw. This whole AI goyslop dragshow gaycircus thing is at its peak going full schizo mode that makes me think that our whole universe is a ai clown show and we are trapped inside of this clown show and we need gnosis to get out of this timeline. Every time I hear this codename(Ai) Its like we are In 1997 or something like that...
As a proud pirate I would not give *** since I have a perfectly working R2R Reason 12 and it works well I won't care if they sell their company to moloch or even Baal.



MyDoomsday weapons :
Protools 12 AudioUTOPiA
FL 11.1.1
iZotope Rx 11
Reason 12 R2R
Bitwig 3

 

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Blows my mind that Bitwig is at the bottom. I've used a lot of daws in my 28 years making music and it is easily the most flexible and intuitive daw Ive ever used.

 

100%
AI being used as a selling point these days is such a crutch. It's everywhere now and pretty soon here it'll just be a handful of companies "managing" software development... and by "managing" I mean strategic power consolidation to remove players from the ecosystem. It's this generation's browser wars and eventually it'll be one company to rule them all.

 

i feared the worst and got the worst.. reason acuqired by LANDR