Intel announcement - https://www.anandtech.com/show/2148...bility-faults-voltage-microcode-fix-in-august

 

Intel is screwed man
https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/26/24206529/intel-13th-14th-gen-crashing-instability-cpu-voltage-q-a

 

I think Intel is releasing Bios patch updates to stem the issue but has also said that those whose processors are already degraded there is not much that can be done. It is permanent damage

Mainly the K series is affected I think.

Guess that's the price you pay for huge power draw just to gain a margin of mere 5-10 %, at most not to speak of consumers, most of them who didn't even know that their processor had gone...down

Best of all Intel ATM is not intent on any recall of those degraded processors for those unfortunate customers

 

Fuck. I've got a 14900K. Haven't had any issues, hopefully a bios update for my Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE X WIFI7 will fix any potential problems..

 

Ha ha it's good that I have i9 9th generation

 

I came from a 9900k, if things go south I'll downgrade to a 12900K.

 

These news make me regret buying the 14900K, I have it down clocked somewhere between 1.2 and 2.5 Ghz for months waiting for a fix, because if my chip degrades there is no warranty in my country and the retailer responsible for building my PC will not RMA it, and can't afford to buy a new chip... I will never deal with this company again anytime soon.

 

How is there no warranty? Intel has admitted fault in this no?

 

Yes they did and they carry a three-year limited warranty, but unfortunately it's not a direct purchase from Intel like when you buy from Amazon. Here we buy hardware exclusively from local retailers paying about double the original price but they barely give any warranty. If they give something when you buy a whole PC, they just say you have six months or maximum of one year depending on the store without giving any document to prove it, so if something fails after the six months or even before it, you're stuck and there is no law to protect you... We don't have local debit/credit cards to shop online, if one was lucky being a businessman or something to afford it.. he can't buy directly from Amazon or other places due to restrictions and customs' corruption... so we ended up paying about double the original price without getting an official warranty from hardware companies..... It just sucks.

 

Bios updates will not fix the main problem the cpus are suffering from. Speaking plainly so anyone can understand, what they did is they allowed the processor to be able to draw extreme power from the mobo's vrms when tuned from the bios to various "performance" modes. Each mobo vendor names it slightly differently but the thing is a 14900K when needed and tuned from the mobo to do so, can draw anywhere from 30 to almost 300 watts. And apparently on the -not so long- run, this can cause irreversible failures to the cpus and not only K series or i9s are affected but the two last Intel generations are fucked to be blunt. And those with 12900K are not really safe too as it is almost the same cpu again.
To anyone who has any of these cpus. My friends, the best advice i can give you if any, is keep your mobo at normal mode or even eco mode if your mobo has one. Do not by all means overvoltage/overclock your cpus. The safest would be to keep the cpu's peak clocks when at full boost, relatively lower than highest (it may require manual tuning). This will make sure your cpu isn't eating more than it chew so to speak. I hope the bug doesn't kill your cpus. Hopefully, the bios updates Intel is about to issue will automatically set your mobos tosome kind of a safe mode that will allow the cpus to operate in a safer range, in terms of clock boost and voltage drawn. Till then be really careful.
All the best.
PS: And next time get a freakin Ryzen lol. Now you know.

 

I'm not sure putting the cpu in any form of safe mode will help at all:

'Even under idle conditions at relatively cool temperatures, sporadic elevated voltages are observed when the processor is resumed from low power states in order to service background operations before entering a low power state again.'

It seems we just really need that bios update.

 

You can avoid this by changing your power plan to power saving mode from windows settings, mine is idling at around 0.7v and never goes above 1.0v with the 2.5 Ghz limit

 

I don't think the voltages that are currently damaging the Raptor Lake cpu's can be measured from user-end, here's a Reddit post better explaining this:

'the voltages intel are talking about are so fast they usually cannot be picked up by monitoring software but only scientific hardware. for example. you see on your screen the Vcore at....lets say 1.29v but what it doesn't show you is a core having a transient spike for a literal half a millisecond of 1.59v then goes back down to the 1.29v these are the kind of voltages the cpu is requesting that intel is talking about.'

 

If that's the case, then we're screwed fare and square even at 0.7v not only 1.29v or whatever! xDD
I spent 1010$ on the CPU alone without even getting the official warranty cared by Intel just to be able to make my favorite music, and about 5000$ for the whole PC which is 3 years of savings here... That would kill me if the chip cooks itself or degrades before Intel's fix.. I'll keep hating Intel for the rest of my life then lol

 

Yeah it's completely fucked up. Best thing you can do right now is not using the cpu until the update...

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/9957...and-14th-gen-core-cpus-says-leaker/index.html

 

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This time it's Intel, next time it's AMD. Or NVidia or ...
The problem is the short innovation cycles demanding bringing products to market that are not really ready for the market.

But this is not only the case with processors and not only in the computer industry and not even only in the economy.
Everywhere everything is "knitted with a hot needle", whether it's (1) laws, (2) computer systems or (3) airplanes.
They don't stand up to the legal scrutiny of the highest courts(1), they don't work as they should (2) or, in the worst case, they crash with hundereds of dead people(3).

Several years ago, there was a cartoon about the ubiquitous WinTel oligopoly: the main screen of a crashing airplane was depicted and the screen said, "This general protection fault is brought to you by Microsoft & Intel."

Who really still likes to get into a newer-generation Boeing jet today without any doubts about its airworthiness?

We, the end customers suffer, sometimes we even die.
Allegedly because we always want something new. Is that really the case, or are we just being talked into it?

Instead of ever faster innovation cycles, I would be in favor of thinking about consolidating product portfolios so that companies can once again concentrate on bringing mature products to market. Instead of abusing us as paying(!) beta testers for their inferior products.

The only way to get product manufacturers to do this is to simply not buy the crap as soon as it comes out.

It seems that although they are rectifying the error for current and future production, they do not want to compensate customers with defective or damaged processors.

And for mobile CPUs, they refer to the manufacturers of the mobile device. I'm sure they'll be happy too.
Some smaller may even get bankrupt if customers aks for refund.

 

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Very informative post on what is supposed to be going on:

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/s/f5jM03YrHJ

Key takeaway: predicted current causing voltage spikes. Maybe manageable through lowering ACLL.

 

Hey mate, was' up . Good to see you again, i hope all is well. Just a few thoughts i 'd like to share.
Intel had it coming to them man. You cannot keep the same -once market leading now obsolete- cpu architecture for 10 years and try to keep up with the competition by physically enlarging the cpu size to hold more transistors. And throwing dust in the face of consumers by adding gimmicks in the incarnation of small cores to that large die that add very little performance since they don't support the same instructions as the -so called- performance cores. And muddying the water with NPUs and bullshit.
To me, this game Intel's been playing since the 10900K and beyond but has started since the 8xxx series, is disrespect to customers and shareholders as well. And since they don't disclose the "fine print" that's hidden in their cpus to shareholders, they 're left in the blind just as the plain customers. This is now blowing up in their faces and imho, it will be worse than most expect, because as a company you can have angry customers, you refund them and it's all fine and dandy, but you cannot have angry shareholders. They will fuck you up so to speak and heads will roll within their ranks. Pat Gelsinger, CEO of Intel and veteran engineer will have to explain too much, much more than he wants or can handle i presume. Intel has already turned to TSMC for their upcoming GPUs manufactured @ 4 nm, so it is plain to see that with all their factories they still cannot keep up with the -undoubtedly- fierce competition by AMD and NVidia or Apple if we 're talking pcs in general. And of course all Intel competition is fabless relying on a single company for their cpus, the Taiwanese TSMC which is constantly investing in research and is far too ahead of Intel atm. And then you have Pat Gelsinger earlier this year throwing thoughts of Intel making cpus for AMD in their newer facilities. Sure man, dream on.
Cheers

 

Hehe. Yep, I was just going to say that. To be honest I have still yet to drive my i9 9th gen to any sort of limits both editing video or doing audio production. cheers!