Rapper "Dave East" says writing your raps is cheating and if you can't freestyle you shouldn't rap.

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  1. recycle

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    This rap tutorial is worthless when the message being conveyed is just a syncopated blah blah blah. In my opinion the question that every rapper should ask himself is: Do I really have something to say?
    And of course avoid turning on the microphone If not
     
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    :deep_facepalm::hahaha:
     
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    @recycle your "I can't relate is" showing :wink::rofl:
     
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    As the Grateful Dead said :

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack
    If you got nothing new to say
     
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    :facepalm:Why is it always the Wang Dang Doodle heads who say rap has no substance:hahaha::hahaha:
     
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    Let's analyze this:
    Drake - What’s Next (2021)


    I tried to make sense of these lyrics but I just can't.
    Then there is the music, the beat, the flow, etc. and everything is perfect, but what should I understand from the rhymes? They look like they were written by an Alzheimer's patient
    Someone please explain to me
     
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    Dave is definitely a dope emcee but he's wrong on this.

    I can sit down and write with anyone, signed or unsigned but i can't freestyle well because i need time to slow my mind down to get the words out.But also freestyling isn't what it used to be. Freestyling used to be off the top, on the spot, not written, at all. Now a freestyle is memorized written. Look at Loaded Lux,Mysonne and Black Thought on Funk Flex. Those were "freestyles".
     
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    I absolutely love hip hop.

    I do find the vast majority of rappers completely void of interest though :bow: But that's ok, because there are true geniuses who make me wet.
     
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    they need to write this punch in rap is fucking up rap music...every one can't do what jay z does smfh
     
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    Sorry, this is offtopic, but this entire discussion reminds me of this particular video...
     
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    What language are they speaking? Can we get a translation into English?
     
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    @recycle I could waste time explaining the lyrics to you even tho it seems you wont be receptive and your judgement is predetermined either way. ...or I could waste time asking you what genres and artists you like and then cherry pick their weakest entries and say see this entire genre is pointless... or you could just admit you're opinion is biased because you can't/don't relate :dunno:

    That's kinda what I was hinting at with the Wang Dang Doodle joke (tho it wasn't directed at you per se)... I'm not gonna say every Grateful Dead song is trash but com'on Wang Dang Doodle lol, I could use that to make the same case you are making about rapping in general.

    @Dimentagon I can't even be mad :rofl:
     
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    Warning: Wang Dang Doodle rant

    There was a period when hip hop was the voice of the lower class: it started from the American ghettos but then became an international phenomenon, not necessarily linked to Afroamerican culture. The hiphop was the poor people's CNN (and I felt 100% represented by it)
    That was the time when music was generated by playing the B sides of the songs and there was a microphone for the rapper, nothing else. The lyrics were based on social injustice and the desire to give life to the alternative movement: “Power to the people”
    Over time the rappers have become millionaires, the concepts expressed have become "I have more money than you, I have more whores than you, you are poor and I am rich, look at that beautiful Lamborghini I bought myself while you go by bicycle "etc ...
    In present time, how can I feel represented by such disgusting people, who never miss an opportunity to humiliate me, who bully me at all times for my social status?
    Probably now I should take rappers as role models, but I can't stand it: I find them really unpleasant with their plastic music and their materialistic - conformist message.
    Maybe I give them too much responsibility, in reality I believe that showbiz has completely hijacked hiphop by emptying it of its political impact to make it a supermarket product. Actually rappers are characters to be exploited as much as possible, to then throw them in the garbage when they no longer work
    The result will be that all this will soon go out of fashion, (this is how the market works): all that we believed in, that we fought for will end up in the dump as a new product to sell will have taken its place.

    It is all very sad

    Notes for @ juggz143 : I was producing hiphop music since your mom cleaned your poopy butt ... this is why I take the subject very seriously and am so controversial. Unfortunately (for money) it happens that I still have to unwillingly produce it so, yes I can be also considered active part of the hiphop decadence

    Public Enemy - How To Kill A Radio Consultant
     
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    Ah, and I always thought rap came from rearranging danceable disco music on parties where MCs boasted that they had the hottest jacket, the prettiest girl and the best rhymes.
     
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    Sure that was even before, the early 80's
     
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    Ahhhhh so you indeed can't relate [anymore], gotcha...

    The end was a bit snarky but I can actually respect and appreciate this response! Bravo.
     
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    My thought behind it was, that your following descriptions of the status quo correspond exactly to the origin. With the only difference that the scales are different. More money, more expensive jackets, more hoes and more rhymes. But the motif remains generally the same as in the late 70s/early 80s. So what's the problem?
     
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    I have always found a fairly ephemeral and folkloristic the movement in the early 80's (Kurtis Blow, Sugarhill Records etc). The period that began to attract my attention is when the whole hiphop phenomenon begins to build a class consciousness and to be the essential voice of the oppressed people (starting from end of 80's and along the 90's), not only for american productions but for the whole world
    Unfortunately today we do not live in an era of political commitment: now in showbiz all this would be inappropriate
    I'm afraid of becoming too paternalistic / boomer so I stop myself, but I have a lot of things to say on the subject: one day I will write a book about hiphop explaining why today 2021 hiphop is a disgrace and its listening should be boycotted by the lower class
    The audio book version will be read by Chuck D of Public Enemy
     
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    gosh , watch some graff movies and docus and get some idea of todays underground hiphop,trap,triphop whatever and get over that spotifx mainstream trash
     
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    Thank you @Howard Carpendale.

    Welcome to the new digital age. Everything that was important in music has already been composed - has already been invented and has already been sold. There is nothing new ...! Most of it is stolen or copied or told differently. Now the last dollar is being squeezed out of the "still artists". Earn a few more dollars quickly and move the money into a tax haven. The more stupid and distracted the consumers are, the better for them up there ...!
     
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