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  1. Nostalgia_Rocks

    Nostalgia_Rocks Ultrasonic

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    ok so i am building the best old xp system i can get. love xp.

    right now, the system has 3770k @ 4.7, 16gb (3.46gb usable) kingston hyperx savage ddr3 2400 8x2 @ 10-12-12-30-1T-260 1.7v up from 1.65v , and an r7970 lightning @ 1200/1800. i have more stuff than this but no point listing.

    my question is about the ram. the ram is cl11 2400, original timings are 11-13-14-32-2T-330 1.65v, my new settings (much better, and yes i can notice the dif a bit) is 10-12-12-30-1T-260 1.7v.
    right now i am getting ~35,000+read ~36000+write etc..in aida64 benchmarks. Its on par with stock trident-x scores (almost exactly the same but only with my better timings). I've heard though that if you buy cl10 memory you can usually bump the timings to cl9? does anyone see any reason to buy trident-x 2400 cl10 over what i'm using now? i've watched a few videos on youtube about how the speed of ram usually makes no difference whatsoever, even between ddr400 and say 2400. Is it worth the ~$200 to go g-skill or just stick with what i got and quit ocd'ing? i want the best performance i can get (for no real reason) that will work with my z77 board.
     
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  3. Paul Pi

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    Imho the speed 'improvement' will be as good as irrelevent in a real-world context & not at all worth it, unless $200 is meaningless to you. Indeed, the principal bottleneck for you in XP is of course the 32 bit memory limitation... if you want to work that OCD itch, why not back-up your current system and try install a Windows XP Professional x64 Edition instead and see how far you can go with it before even beginning to obsess over a quite unneccessary memory 'upgrade'.
     
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    I don't see a reason to buy legacy DDR3 ram for such obsolete 2012 3rd gen Intel platform :dunno:
     
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    Ok just wanted to make sure (;
     
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    I used to love my old Core 2Quad 3Ghz with XP64 and 8GB of RAM, but we have to evolve with the programs that we require and use daily.
     
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    for new programs i just use my 12gb ddr4 2133 laptop, the ram is only ~16.5 on maxXmem2 while my ddr3 2400 xp rig scores ~27.9. so because of the tighter timings the ddr3 is still way faster. my laptop's ram is only 15-15-15 etc..
     
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    Hit us up with the results. I actually love XP myself and wished it would never end. I have some old software I want to relaunch on a system as such.
     
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    Iam on WIN XP x64 update 2015
     
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    I would leave the memory as it is; you can save the money. In my opinion, it's not worth upgrading. I would rather take care of the CPU and optimize BIOS settings. Have you already optimized? I am attaching a file to you. If you have already optimized your PC for music, just ignore the file attachment.
     

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    that all very much depends on the dies that are on your memory sticks. have you tried increasing clock speed? if you can increase core to 2640 with the same timings that would be same latency as lowering cl to 9....

    cl latency 10 @ 2400 : 4,16 ns (hope i got the comma right :D)
    9 @ 2400: 3,79 ns = 10 @ 3640: 3,79 ns

    additionally core clock benefits all other timing too off course
     
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    laptop is most likely single channel too, you cant compare that or would need to double laptop speed for comparison but sure your faster ddr 3 2400 is faster than 2133 ddr 4 :D the only difference from ddr 3 to ddr 4 is the specs for power consumption / voltage and therefore ddr 4 clock speeds go higher
     
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    why not just run XP as a virtual machine with linux in a top of the line Ryzen?
     
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    VM is rather terrible for audio performance
     
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    Cpu-z shows 1066mhz dual channel 15-15-15..there are other JEDEC settings to for my laptop ram. bios is pretty limited though, so not a lot of wiggle room there. it doesn't matter though, its fast enough even as is for what i do on it. my 1tb wd blue ssd makes a world of difference though. can't overstate this enough. ssd all the way baby. winrar flys. for example i can make a 5.75gb archive in less than a minute. thats actually pretty good.

    interestingly according to aida64 running my ram @2602mhz results in worse performance ~30,000+ read speed, vs. ~35,000+read for 2400. so i keep it at 2400. i can really notice the difference playing hi bandwidth 4k movies. it seeks through the video faster than @2600.

    here is a couple of aida64 benchmarks (for any1 that might care)
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    Yes, if you're hosting enterprise database applications with heavy workloads, there might be a slight difference. Also when using newer IGPs, the 3D performance can benefit from faster RAM (but the graphics of Sandy/Ivy Bridge are too slow anyway). In all other cases you will never notice a difference, so just use the RAM you have.
    And if you would really need a better memory performance for whatever reason, it would have to be a new system instead of just new DIMMs. I'm getting around 57k MB/s with 2133 MHz RAM on Windows XP, but it's a Broadwell-EP platform.

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    Win XP was still being updated all the way to 2015? I don't know why but I thought their updates ended in 2010
     
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    i've never tried it. the marks I've seen for benchmarks show some decrease in performance but I'd have to try it myself to know for sure. I'd try that before I'd try building an XP system.
     
  19. Nostalgia_Rocks

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    Olaf, are you running xp drivers on that socket 2011? If so how did you get them working. I was told on another place that z77/x79 was the last to support official xp drivers. If I could get a socket 2011/ddr4 xp machine i'd be in my glory.
     
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    To 2019 (not x64 though), but now it's over. Even the released updates cannot be downloaded via Windows Update anymore, since Microsoft replaced SHA-1 with SHA-2 exactly one year ago. Now you have to rely on 3rd party update packs.

    So if you have a working XP system, maybe think about making a disk/partition image (just in case). :)

    7 Series Chipsets were the last with official support. Newer platforms were not officially supported, but many still work nevertheless. For AHCI you need patched drivers (just add the hardware id of the SATA controller to the INF file). IDE mode works without modifications. For very new systems (like Ryzen), additionally ACPI needs to be patched (or turned off during installation). This is a bit tricky, so you might want to try already patched files instead. Socket 2011-3 can be one way or another. For example, the Gigabyte MW50 works out of the box, but the Supermicro X10SRA needs ACPI patching. Other drivers are so-called null drivers. They don't do anything.

    You might want to take a look at Windows XP "Integral Edition" with a lot of additionally included drivers:
    https://www.zone94.com/downloads/so...dows-xp-professional-sp3-x86-integral-edition
     
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    I have an unregistered copy of XP still that I got like a decade ago just incase fuckery was in my path in win 7 and beyond. Completely surprised they were updating it all the way to 2019!!!
     
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