I'm still confused.
What would these "numbers" be, and how would they correspond to distro .rars? MD5 checksum?
Do the owners of these trusted sites (e.g. our_sister_site?) sell warez? Do they not know R2R's feels re. repacks?

Some say there are a few shades of gray between spoons & tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of VSTs and libs, many of them free (http://www.vst4free.com etc.)

 

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Yay.. another pointless thread about R2R filled with posts from people that do not know what the fuck they are talking about. The Mods should close this

 

Absolutely laughing my ass off @ the irony of R2R whining about releases being "stolen". What a bunch of autistic assholes.

 

I can agree about second statement, not about the first one; maybe because i just don't know wtf I'm talking about....
but let me say, I only have three questions:

1. Question to AZ: why the site doesn't stop posting not "original" R2R releases? These are few, often with not working kgens and not tested, minimum effort and sacrifice......
2. Question to R2R: why did they move to Kgenned cracks, the best way to allow and boost the so hated "making money" diffusion?
3. Question to R2R: why don't they tell us the best way to share their (precious and appreciated) job avoiding the above said bad behavior, the human greed, compatibly with the costs of those who must manage a site ?

 

Well, it's an ancient topic. What I know:
1. Symlink installers work, and they give credit. They even include the original VR, R2R installers unless they are very big.
2. There's a lot of non official releases using R2R, VR and even AIR work (keygens, etc). If we apply R2R and some plain users complaints these are even worse than repackages.
3. The only thing I've heard of Team VR from (big) releases using their work is a post saying: "this is not an official Team VR release".
4. R2R of course can complain all they want. It's curious though how they make up a timeline where basically "everything is worse" since they're on the scene.

 

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It's funny to see how everyone is sympathizing with R2R about people making money out of their releases, when they (R2R) are the first ones that help people avoid paying developers for the programs they use, or are willing to try without demo limitations.
And considering that most of the people using warez are adults that have an actual paycheck that's screaming hypocrisy even more.
I used to run cracked programs when I was a kid, but when I started working (with music) I saved money and bought what I wanted to use because that's the obviously right thing to do. Clearly there is always the temptation of having "free stuff" but telling myself that I should buy what I use keeps me from becoming a warez addict like many of the people concerned about R2R actions.
I'm not justifying making money with warez in any way because that's even worse, but we can't talk about "making money out of warez is not right" when cracking someone's program and giving it away for free is clearly not ethical in the first place.
The only reason why all these people are unironically and passionately defending R2R in such way is because they don't want to have to pay for what they use, if R2R didn't say anything about it nobody would have cared.

 

I don't think R2R cares a hill of beans about anything said here, there or anywhere about them. That said, to my simple way of looking at things, I would release it first to a "free" downloading site, and then where it goes from there is on the user. no biggie. Bottom line is that once something is out you can't ever control what happens or where it goes. It would be insane to even try.

 

R2r Is great. Just kick and ban his ass off both sites. We all owe R2R a lot. I am tired of people bitching at R2R and using there stuff. It takes a lot to reverse engineer software.

 

Nailed it. I remember even getting confused about what "mirror link" means in the first discussion about this R2R thing.

The answer seems to be in this:

I wonder how can you restrict link mirrors in the first place. Official links and mirrors? Official torrent seeders?

@midi-man I get what you say but this thread is not about that.

 

Well as you see, here there is a debate...

Yes it has a lot to do with this post, because you accuse other members of being guilty of the slow down from R2R, but you do not really know what is going on with R2R.
First of all, they could have added AudioZ to their blocked websites, they didn't.
Their privileged posters are posting at AudioZ using UL and RG (as the re-packers does) and they go on with it.

The conclusions you make are speculations.

You are afraid, then fear blinds you, and you end-up accusing who ever of what you think a damage will come ...
That reminds me how mankind acted toward "witches" long time ago.

Remember, if you really compose music, you dont need 200 synths and effects... But to compose music, you have to spend time on it...

This song is dedicated to you:

 

1. AZ and it's owner can allow whatever he wants, plus he tries very hard not to get involved in such bullshit
2. Figuring out how to make a proper keygen is how it's supposed to be, It shows that they have skills
3. They have but that is not the problem, the problem is lack of respect

And here is my 2 cents... R2R are not cry babies ,all they did in that NFO that wasgedn posted was state the facts and never in it did they complain , only pointed out HOW they think making money off of warez is not a cool thing to do. Sure it would be easy for AZ NOT to allow repacks and releases with their keygens but what is the point of that?? Some broke ass kid is just going to find another site to use to make money. The problem is not the sites but the people that do it. What ever happened to " Honor among thief's" ?? The "Scene" has a code of Honor , never ever have I seen a group use another groups method of cracking and get away with it, they would quickly get NFO'd and get kicked from all FTP top sites , never to be heard from again. Sadly the P2P world has neglected that golden rule.

 

Kr*cking may be illegal, but monetizing the fruit of any Team's effort is unfair. You decide which of the two you'd be prouder to partake in.

 

The scene is not dead, it has to die.

 

You don't see a single thing from them till someone else cracks it, then they throw up a post telling you they fixed the crack so it will work and they can look like they are more then cockroaches. Seriously, what have they released on their own that didn't come from someone else????? What have they released since every other group has vanished? If you are going to cry about being ripped off, then don't rip off others work and try to pass it off as your own.

 

Seriously dude???? You that thick, or just that blind. They are releasing less, because there are no other groups left to rip off after they release something. I'd love to give you a few examples, but you are a groupie, and groupies live in their own reality. Seriously, R2R's early stuff was garbage and half it never worked, then they started re-releasing stuff that you obviously don't know was never their work to start with. Now, they are virtually all thats left, and weird, when was the last time THEY cracked anything of any substantial? Don't believe me? Watch, the next decent thing that gets cracked will be V.R., then R2R a week later will repost, and you'll jump on their d!@k as always and do cartwheels. LOLOLOL

 

New subject - should we ban all R2R releases?

 

That's exactly what Jam thought

 

It's clear to me that R2R are new kids on the block. I remember cracking groups facing up to each other over things like one group copying another group's cracks and re-packaging, but before R2R I don't remember any cracking group attacking the releasers, and by very obvious implication, US, the consumers.

I think R2R should shut up now. Every warez consumer already has a lot of admiration, respect and is very grateful for their work. But they should shut the F up now. We don't behave like this. Learn. Obviously, once you let the pigeon fly, it can go anywhere and everywhere. I used to have contempt for the uploaders earning money for downloads, but then I realised that it's bloody hard work for them to upload stuff for us, and re-up, and not just one site but several, that takes time. We thank them, and then we have disdain for them? Huh? They deserve to make the most of an earning opportunity. Does it really make any difference to R2R whether the uploaders make money? Yes, some time ago, some old cracking groups got angry when they heard about people selling warez. But now, times have changed. We want a good downloading service. Just like we pay for premium downlaods, it's not wrong for uploaders, the providers of a very fine service, should earn something for their time and work. If the owner of AZ didn't agree with me, they would have stopped it a long time ago. The only group complaining is R2R. They should shut up and carry on doing what they do best.

 

New subject - should we ban all mirror maker which makes money out of Warez Uploads like Integral ?

Whats the point of making 100 mirrors of the same hoster ?