R2R Plugins not working under Linux wine

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  1. severance&pay

    severance&pay Newbie

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    hey,
    I don't actually know where to approrpriate place to post this is, but I'd love if I could get this message to someone involved with the cracking process of plugins in R2R. This forum seems to be one of the only places where piracy re audio plugins is actually discussed.

    there appears to be a problem where popup menus in plugins don't work with R2R plugins running under wine with yabridge (a tool to make running windows plugins work seemlessly with your daw). Everything else works perfectly, but when a popup menu would normally be spawned by the plugin (like with a preset browser or settings), the menu appears in an unrelated location then disappears very quickly without any user input. This breaks core functionality of a lot of plugins like UVI Falcon. I've tried demos of affected plugins, such as Arturias instruments and effects, under wine and they seem to work absolutely fine.

    I don't want to bring up these issues in the forums of wine or yabridge, as they would probably delete any such thread very quickly. They probably dont want to get in trouble for piracy related reasons, which is very fair.

    other groups that have cracked plugins don't seem to have the popup menu issues. Maybe this a very simple fix on R2R's side?

    thanks :like:
     
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  3. Radio

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    I would like to add 2 tips:

    Carla

    Carla from KXStudio is a plugin host and a plugin at the same time. So you can start Carla as a plugin under your Linux application and load any Windows plugin into Carla, for example. In fact, this is extremely convenient and works well.

    Airwave

    Airwave also "simulates" a Linux VST for your Linux DAW. You install your VST plugin under Wine, for example, using
    wine setup.exe
    Your program is then located in
    .wine/drive_c/Programs

    and you can add the DLL via Airwave. Wine packages the DLL file in its own wrapper and you can specify ~./.vst as the target folder to make your plugin available to your DAW. This runs pretty stable and plugins such as Serum from Xfer also work very well in Airwave.
     
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    tzzsmk Audiosexual

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    maybe some missing DirectX, OpenGL or MSVC++ dependencies within your WINE bottle environment/config ?
     
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    trz303 Platinum Record

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    Cracking usually doesnt affect plugins features. If you have problems with plugins features it whould be related to the emulator itself.
     
  6. UTiLiTY

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    I can't believe it's almost 2025 and most devs still don't offer native Linux support. The same goes for hardware manufacturers. They're all absolutely bonkers.
     
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    As of July 2024, a key report by StatCounter notes that Linux now accounts for 4.45% of desktop operating systems globally.

    Considering many devs are small teams or singular people, the extra work involved (plus supporting the varied distros) isn't viable for most.
     
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  8. Synclavier

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    more likely its not the R2R problem but a plugin or win emulation problem
    Test demos under Wine you'll see
     
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  9. ItsFine

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    Because no one use Linux.
    Just face it.

    Even as a computer tech for 25 years, i would not loose my time trying to run anything on Linux, music making wise.
    OSX or Win only for this task.

    Remember Muse Receptor ?
    Using Linux to host Windows plugins ... it was a nightmare to set.
    And devs didn't cared at all.

    Dead in the water now.

    Devs, companies ... MAKE MONEY.
    There is no money into Linux, for them.

    That's why they don't care. And never will.

    I stopped even thinking about using Linux for audio years ago.
    Same with Android.

    And i tried hard to get around limitations.
    For nothing ...

    Loose your time/energy on Linux for audio OR abandon it.
    This is the only choice.
    On my side, i've already lost countless hours of my life with it ... bye Linux.

    Linux Mint as "common usage" alternative, that's all i still use now.
    Everything else (audio, photo, video ...), no way : too much limitations to my creativity and needs.
     
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    tzzsmk Audiosexual

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    Linux doesn't pay, does it? go ahead and make some Linux friendly software or hardware, for free of course :bleh:
     
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    Linux could really have been an alternative to Windows, Linux was used by the authorities in some big cities. I also tested Linux once, I think it was called Mandrake. It was very stable but there were hardly any games in the early nineties and making music was out of the question. So either Apple's Mac or Windows was left. Apple and Intel were too expensive. Windows and AMD were the cheaper alternatives at the time.

    What will making music look like in 50 or 100 years? I have no idea but against the big companies and the investors' money it will probably stay as it is. No Linux stock is profitable. Opera and Firefox get their money from Google.
     
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    On the "make the software happen" side of things, this is actually pretty trivial these days, ie. it's one recompile away for most JUCE, DPF plugins. What's borderline impossible is the support and testing load this adds on the developer. If you could quickly fire up a single VM, check if the plugin working and move on, then that'd be fine.

    But in reality, it's check if the plugin is working on:

    x86, x64, ARM, ARM64 * 3-4 DAWS * 4-5 distros

    So in reality, it's more like 50-100 extra combinations to test.

    For every new plugin release.
    For a dozen customers.
    In a dozen years.

    Just slapping a warning sign "use at your own risk" on your website isn't a solution ;)

    I think it's mostly fine for effect plugins, many great open source alternatives out there. The lack of big name instrument plugins/samplers is really painful on Linux though.
     
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  13. ItsFine

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    Another aspect : PAID products (once again)
    Why would a dev SELL a Linux compatible product, for ppl who are used to get everything for FREE ?

    By pushing open source/free concept to the max, Linux community simply made products SELLERS go away.

    No really, non paying 4.5% ppl is not a market :winker:
     
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    CLAP: The New Audio Plug-in Standard

    CLAP was created as an open licensed alternative to proprietary audio plugin formats such as Steinberg's VST format, Apple's Audio Units format, or Avid Technology's Avid Audio Extension (AAX) format, designed for non-destructive parameter automation, multi-voice envelopes, true MIDI 2.0 support, better multi-core CPU performance and greater ease writing plugins in a non-proprietary licensing framework under the MIT License. CLAP is supported by 15 DAWs and 93 plugin producers who have produced 394 CLAP plugins.

    https://www.bitwig.com/de/stories/clap-the-new-audio-plug-in-standard-201/

    CLAP Audio Software Database
    https://clapdb.tech
     
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  15. UTiLiTY

    UTiLiTY Newbie

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    Yes, I understand everyone's points. However, the catch is, that while software and hardware does not support Linux, it will continue to go “unused.” Devs and manufacturers need to do something in order for things to change for Linux — for it to be used as people's preferred desktop operating system. Until they do, nothing will change in any significant way.
     
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    MacOS is free and Apple is doing just fine.

    “Open source” is not even part of the conversation.

    People will buy hardware, and people will buy software. As long as Linux goes unsupported by the majority of devs and manufacturers, then Linux will remain unpopular.
     
  17. ItsFine

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    And Linux is unsupported BECAUSE no one use it ... you are running in circle.
    I'm out ....
     
  18. Radio

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    Ubuntu 18.04 LTS --> https://ubuntu.com/18-04

    Here are some great free Linux highlights:

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    Regency offers a novel method of synthesis, based on traditional phase distortion synthesizers.
    Type : Instrument OS : Win 64Bit, Mac 64Bit, Linux
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    Nakst - Fluctus
    Fluctus The ultra simple 3-operator FM synthesizer.
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    Vital is a visual synthesizer. See what's happening behind the scenes with animated controls, filter responses, waveforms, smooth LFOs, oscilloscopes, spectrograms and more.
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    ZebraCM is a stripped-down version of Zebra2 with a selection of modules organised in a simple layout. Though smaller, ZebraCM is still an adept synthesizer with enough features to keep you busy before .....
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    Created in 2005 and still going strong. Podolski is a free, straightforward, CPU-efficient virtual analogue synthesizer. One oscillator, one filter, one envelope and an arpeggiator / sequencer. Simple, .....
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    Dexed is a multi platform, multi format plugin synth that is closely modeled on the Yamaha DX7. Under the hood it uses music-synthesizer-for-android for the synth engine.


    Source: www.looperman.com/free-music-software/os/best-free-linux-vst-vsti-au-plugins-instruments-software?page=3
     
  19. Synclavier

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    Cardinal is a better alternative
    https://github.com/DISTRHO/Cardinal

    I would add Plugdata to the list https://plugdata.org/
     
  20. Radio

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    Thanks @Synclavier! Something about the topic of money:

    Ubuntu was launched by South African millionaire Mark Shuttleworth in 2004.

    As a young South African entrepreneur, he had a rapid rise to fame. In 1999, he had earned 500 million dollars with software at the age of 26. He was the first African in space. In 2002, he flew to the International Space Station ISS as a paying tourist on the Soyuz TM-34. And of course: Ubuntu. It is probably (the community is constantly arguing about it) the most successful distribution of the free and open source operating system Linux.

    Ubuntu - the name comes from the Zulu language, it means something like "humanity" and is intended to stand for sharing, for overcoming the digital divide between rich and poor.

    Fighting Googlification

    From Shuttleworth's perspective, this absolute evil is the complete Googlification of the world. Not only through the all-dominating search engine, but above all in the crucial future segment: mobile computing. It was only three or four years ago that it looked as if Apple owned the whole world - iPhones and iPads everywhere. But today the winner in practically all smartphone weight classes is Google.

    Android, which is behind Google, has a market share of three quarters. And what must annoy Shuttleworth terribly when he ponders the improvement of the world on his property on the Isle of Man (his critics say he fled from the South African tax authorities) in the Irish Sea: Android is also a variant of Linux. Google, the empire from Mountain View, California, is, if you will, leading eight to zero in Shuttleworth's home stadium. Unbearable.
     
  21. DoubleInvertedPhase

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    The R2R keygen of Native Instruments products based on RSA3 is producing invalid licenses on Wine v9.x. Use other releases like bobdule to get rid of NI's copy protection and their horrible Native Access 2 which is a pain to install on Wine.

    If anyone has an idea what could be done to make the R2R NI keygen work on Wine, please let us know. This is useful even for people with valid licenses due to Native Access 2.
     
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