Provided you had the money would you buy a fully electric car right now?

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Provided you had the money would you buy a fully electric car right now?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Not right now, in a few years maybe

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  1. Graf

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    hey guys did you know @tnc likes to personally push people with insults, accusations and @unwantedprobes about their life, then @tnc wants to talk about @tnc @organizations?
    @tnc heres one option, you can leave me and my life the fuck alone
     
  2. Barmaley (covid edition)

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    There is enough fuel in the world to have enough all, but no one ever wanted to pay for him. It is easier make war a little. Or somehow steal. No matter what way.

    How you do not want to pay for plugins and software. Easier steal.

    Previously, the most fortunate commercers were colonies, and they fought and drank without paying for it sufficiently.

    When the colonies ended, they came up with the dollar and simply printed it on the machine, again deceive and not paying for anything. Now they shout that the resources are distributed not correctly, there is nothing under them almost, everything under others.

    And you do not need fairy tales about your ecology and comparing batteries with horses. Even if you personally exhale only pure oxygen, without COVID, then you will still inhale exhaust gases diesel yachts Rockefellers and Soros and Abramovichs.
     
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    Today:
    Colonies - not working.
    Dollar machine - not working.
    Wars - not working.
    Ecology - WORKING.
     
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  4. Ad Heesive

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    Staring at babe's butt - WORKING.
     
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  5. tzzsmk

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    no, the sound of electric cars is absolutely audio unsexy
    :chilling:
     
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  6. JMOUTTON

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    @Ad Heesive

    Helium will not work as a combustible fuel unless you are going for nuclear fusion, in which case anything will work till you get to around Fe and ...

    It get complicated and I have a grasp of the math but not a deep understanding of the plasmoferric effect. It's how stars die, but it's outside the scope of engineering understanding you will be better served by a physicist or mathematician.
     
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    1.- Lithium/other batteries can be recycled, or refitted to be functional again, no need to throw them to the sea..
    ofc it's an area that is still being developed, but the industry is going in that direction too.

    https://cen.acs.org/materials/energy-storage/time-serious-recycling-lithium/97/i28
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1682-5

    2.- Power Infrastructure may need to be improved/adapted for it..
    However not every Country is the same, some countries hardly have a viable infrastructure,
    while some other are perfectly capable as they are..

    If you're talking about the USA, yes the infrastructure could probably improve,
    but given it's famous for its unreliability (at least in the south west), I guess it needs to be improved regardless of using EV/not..

    (As is the Railway system, which is pretty bad compared to any European/Asian developed country..
    Not because Americans are incapable, but because the Gov and the Industry have always pushed/lobbied for Gas/cars based economy,
    instead of developing a basic/crucial infrastructure like Railway in all terms, Long/Short range, Hi/Lo speed..

    And now instead of using all resources to push for a proper high-speed Train,
    they have fallen prey of Elon Musk and his Lunatic/ridiculous/nonviable ideas of a Hyperloop... which is nothing else than a Train in the Vacuum.

    Take away the Vacuum, and you've got a viable system: a Train. It's that simple.. lol)



    3.-How many jobs will be generated by a new emerging area of industry?
    Companies now have a very Closed, almost monopolistic system..
    Where given the Complexity of combustion engines,
    only a number of companies are capable of designing proper/efficient/clean enough engines.

    You can have a few engineers workin on it,
    but getting to a finished flawless engine design that is reliable, and polished enough takes years of development,
    if not all the Decades that auto/engine makers have put/been into it.

    (You cannot possibly compete with GM, Ford, VW, BMW, Renault, Fiat, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota etc etc, in the Engines department..
    they are far too advanced in the game, you know what I mean?)


    Otoh, electric cars Engines have a very very Simplistic design,
    just a simple squirrel cage induction motor, and a minimal transmission system..

    Therefore more companies could Easily integrate electric engines on their designs,
    or be able to do create viable designs to begin with..

    Is like the Monopoly of Complexity, vs the leveled field of relative electric simplicity.


    4.- Burning Propane, Butane, Metane, Helium? or any other gas is still Burning stuff,
    therefore is not a fully Clean energy source..

    Ofc they are Natural sources,
    Earth has Volcanoes and open-air Gas/oil mines that have been Burning for millennia..

    Earth is a biologic/geologic/chemical dynamic/living system which also pollutes itself so to speak.. lol
    A single Volcano can throw more shit to the atmosphere in a day, than an entire developed country in a year.

    So yeah, imo all that Climate Change BS falls a bit to the ground,
    that's not to say however, that pollution is not important.

    It is, and the sooner we stop polluting the Air/Sea, and in this case the air in our cities > the better.

    But well, technically speaking with Natural Gas you're still Burning Gas,
    which could be more eco than burning Oil/fuel.. but it's way less Eco than Hydrogen, or ofc Solar power.


    -In my view, and in Cities..
    Personal vehicles should be Electric.
    Public vehicles (Buses, Fire Trucks, Ambulances, Police Cars) should be Hydrogen based,
    as well as Trucks and Industrial Vehicles.

    Farmers and other smaller bits of industry, should be up to their own needs/discretion.
    (Farmers using gas on their Tractors is not a big deal,
    but it can be easier to them to stick with Gas, than find viable Hydrogen sources, or electric tractors/farming vehicles.)


    Jet Engine airplanes are actually very efficient as they are, (big part of their power comes from atmospheric air compression/physical effects)
    but I guess they could be made Hydro for a cleaner net output.. I don't know.

    While Ships and Ocean Cruisers are some of the most Polluting vehicles that exist,
    I don't know what's the viability of alternative fuel sources for Big ships, but changing that would also be a considerable improvement

    And that's my 5c opinion :wink:
     
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  8. FLRIZDARKK

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    Yes, I would buy only 1 car that is actually a great car compared to manufactures who just convert their old cars and slap a small battery on it.

    Tesla Model 3, nothing better than it. You get 10k euro off here as part of electric incentive. The car is great, and you get free perks such as free charging, free parking in major cities etc
     
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    No I would not buy a car that could be remotely shut down or hacked like any other electronics. Try farting the wrong way or coughing in a way they don't like and they could have you stranded in the middle of nowhere with only your ass hairs to your name.
     
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    Brilliant IPOSolar car manufacturer Sono Motors starts with a price jump of 155 percent
    The Munich start-up Sono Motors has not yet generated any sales. Nevertheless, it started with a significant price jump on the Nasdaq. Sono plans to deliver cars from Sono Motors has developed a vehicle that is equipped with solar cells and thus produces some of the electricity it needs itself. The "Sion" model is not due to be delivered until the first half of 2023. According to the prospectus, around 16,000 advance orders and down payments of more than 40 million euros had been received by November.

     
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  11. FLRIZDARKK

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    Technology bad! Return to monke! These damn hackers ruining everything
     
  12. Donut Nyamer

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    I'm not stopping you bossman, you stick that charger up your ass if you think it will help you move quicker.
    But I'll stick to gas for my ass.

    You should look at how hackers don't give a shit about shutting down the grid of an entire hospital where people on life support immediately die then you ask yourself about the ethics of hacking while I return to being a monke, you donke...
     
  13. FLRIZDARKK

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    This is just not true. Please do your research before just saying things
     
  14. FLRIZDARKK

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    Sure man, please never use a computer, a smartphone, a smart TV or anything connected to WiFi you currently own.
     
  15. Donut Nyamer

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    Sounds like he's done his research through first hand experience of seeing shit cars on the side of the road lmao
     
  16. Donut Nyamer

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    Or just don't put your personal shit on there and there is nothing to take. I knew you'd have some donke stuff to say like this simpleton shit.
     
  17. FLRIZDARKK

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    Well I'm pretty sure you're not a security researcher or NASA-level hacker too, so don't just say that cars can be so easily hacked we should all just stick to 1920's cars. Stop being paranoid, you can already get so much more info than your car with like social media and basically things you use daily like your PC
     
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    You should look more into what hackers are able to do today before speaking out of your rear end. You should also see that in China that have an entire grid mapping traffic, so it won't have to be a hacker that shuts you down to pull you over and fine you or give you a ticket/arrest you. They could just pinpoint your car and use the software that controls it all. Their facial recognition software will make sure you can't buck it on foot either.

    I would rather roll around on my belly like Ghandi that drive one of those shitmobiles. Would be more healthy for the environment if I ate a single grain of rice a day like him too.

    Anyways with this reply you gave me here you even admit to agreeing with me because they already have all your info but you want to give them more. You were probably a teachers pet growing up.
     
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  19. FLRIZDARKK

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    I mean sure, but realistically will that happen? Who knows, but I can also have the same argument for literally any Wi-Fi enabled device considered "smart" like again your phone, your PC/laptop, etc. Is that stopping anyone from buying more smart things? No.

    Plus, going back to gas vs electric, I hope you also know that gas cars today have computers and lots of electric features that can also be hacked just as easy.
     
  20. Donut Nyamer

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    Probably bent over and spead your ass cheeks when you already did grow up while you pretty yourself up for the state that will fuck you indefinitely. Probably one of those "but muh communism is only what china and russia do" types of dudes until your ass is full of dick on your own soil. Keep playing with fire in hopes of an ocean.

    The whole idea is to get everyone to use it so that no one escapes the system. Look at China and then turn around and honestly tell me that you think every other country isn't on it's way there already.
     
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