Agreed. Tech can be an adjunct or side road for music making but not the main driving force. Which seems to be what is happening mostly these days. Sampling actual real recorded music made by ones who actually can play an instrument and calling it unique and yours is a cheat. When the need for the real works of others is relied upon so heavily in an attempt to make something "unique" it no longer becomes unique and more resembles desperation. Actual instrumental music played by those who have something to say is becoming more of a rarity. If this trend is allowed to continue musical art will die along with it. There are many in the "industry" these days who do not belong there. Being able to push buttons and apply algos to electronic/computer devices does not make you an artist unless you actually have something to say and aren't simply regurgitating what you think the masses want to hear. Much of the "music" "created" these days fits this mold to a tee and is killing music as an art form.

I guess what it all boils down to is if, for example, a modern artist painter was sampling bits and pieces of the old masters works and using them entirely to make pictures of his own and calling that result his - is this still really art? Especially in an environment where you have so many others doing the same thing to the point where no one really knows how to actually create something completely new from scratch anymore because the skills needed to create it were lost due to using the works of the old masters. This is the road that the music industry is heading down these days and it's sad. This trend is actually not just limited to the music industry. It's seeped its way into many other art forms as well - dance, illustration, photography, and the fine arts to name a few...

 

Still many underground things pushing boundaries, but Thom Yorke and the floppy-haired guy immediately sprung to mind.

 

2025:

 

Don't EVER, EVER, mention the notes...

 

This is a good example. But there is an interesting point in this. In my second post, I said that in the best case, we try to revive the music that was produced in the past and were once very successful styles. Your posted music is doing just that. Reviving the music of the past means that we are looking at our past and the efforts made at that time that are influencing some of the current artists.

Consider the year 2050. At that time, if the artists look at the year 2025 and want to be inspired by us, they will not have anything special to be inspired by. We are a generation that mocks art.

 

Except the song's lyrics are an exceptionally contemporary and relevant commentary of our current malaise, particularly the part:

"I'm subscribed to your mom's OnlyFans...
I spent five bucks a month to get pictures of her flappy giblets.
And I spent another ten dollars a month to chat with her on the AI chat program.
It feels great"

You didn't have lyrics like that with "previous generations".

You could maybe make the loose argument that an earlier generation's equivalent was:

"Well, I'm a-standin' on a corner in Winslow, Arizona
Such a fine sight to see
It's a girl, my Lord, in a flatbed Ford
Slowin' down to take a look at me."

I'm not sure that I would agree though.

 

And I KNOW I shouldn't be drawn into this, but...

And yet in the same post, you say that the artists of the future will be looking back at now.

All art is influenced by what has come before, subconsciously or otherwise. Whether it's to imitate it, emulate it, be inspired by it, appropriate it, manipulate it, expand upon it, rebel against it, reduce it, deny it, provide an antidote to it or to destroy it.

 

funny how ppl confuse comercial shit marked and dmb listerners with the term music...
young ppl measure good music in clicks wtf...
for me the overall situation to consume/get hands on and situations where you were forced to listen to shit music was way worse in the 1900s than now , whenever todays shit music output is way worse and most young ppl have zero clue bout good music and genres , but this has nothing to do with the art of music in itself or the lack of certain genres driving anymore , this bout some overall modern human life dynamics and mark my words you will wish this stadium back in 10 years...you guys totally ignore current state and ongoing altering of humanity..
to put it mildly and uncomplete : dem Wahren , Schoenen und Guten ; was yesterday seen on the overall population . but new real art and artist will ever be emerging.the scale is another story .
so cause you so ignorant seeing bigger pictures its better spend time on getting better in the art of finding good art .
cause you cant navigate thru the ocean of less than mediocre output should not lead to such a totalrian half baked assumptions on the wrong matter ignoring what i mentioned above . in fact ppl just got hang on the 60/70/80s bandwagon , me to with the difference i kno to differnciate and im hearing really every genre in case its a banger .

and pls dont talk about the paint sector when you know nothing bout this is really laughable and dont serve your points . this a complete other story .

the actual reason i partizipate in this thread again is cause my multible try's to get certain still active genres threads driving were just nice try's
hilariously fckt up

 

It is a mistake to think of music as a single linage, it is more like branching vines, dividing and then intertwining in complex ways.

The difference between now and say the 1980s is that the music that people listen to is far more diverse. Our time is no longer dominated by "pop" music.

 

Life itself is an illusion and none of you exist because I'm insane

 

Oh, it's him. Didn't notice.

 

Our generation has done all this. The music of the past generations was highly successful in influencing the current generation. We could imitate only 30-40% of them with great effort. The remaining 60% are the things that our generation invented. The problem is exactly this 60%, This 60% ruined that 40%. Our inventions are not musical.

The next generation will have nothing to work on because by 2050 we will destroy all art and the next generation will be a generation without resources. Our generation is the last generation that has access to music, and it is more or less largely due to the communication that we have with the preceding generations.



Lost Generation
Greatest Generation
Silent Generation
Baby boomers
Generation X
Millennials
Generation Z
Generation Alpha
Generation Beta

 

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Time and time again he misses the point. There is no scale on which to judge creativity; it is an expression of being human. Even if we were all to recreate exactly the same expressions it would still remain our own individual expression. Only THE MARKET is judging whether that expression has validity based on the uncreative parameter of CAPITAL. It doesn't matter how many times we piss a smily face into the snow, it will always remain an expression of ourselves at that moment, regardless of arbitrary measurements.

And by the way Foster, your imaginary classifications of "generations" are also fundamentally flawed. There's no such thing in reality as there is only continuum.

 

I accept your words. Finally, in every state of life, every generation wants to live in every way they prefer and create everything they want. I have no problem with you so far.

But,

The realistic view says with the passage of time toward future, we have to have better songs. Because our tools are getting better and smarter and also our information and knowledge are increasing. But in practice this does not happen. The more we move forward, the less the quality of the music. Instead of technology to help us make better music, it overshadows music productions and lowers the quality and musicality of music. This is one of those unsolvable paradoxes.

 

the only parodox here is how
contradicting your points and pre statements are....putting all sorts of stuff in one pot and derive totally wrong non existing dynamics from it

yeah thats why the luminarys run offline win xp and dont care for all that shit you talk bout and your other alter ego is lost in collecting and your real persona is feeding assembly line industry for monez...man foster since you got va....d you became the worst and laughable philosopher ever...
trigger replys is all you good in ...aaand cause you overstretched actually non knows bla bla bla but many want correct you/stating their view...
@ mod pls put incontro to my ignore list since he not let users visit his profile page

 

You just click on his avatar name in any thread and on the pop up menu on the right side is "ignore".