As it says, i produced 15 songs worth of demo's using Suno, in two days time. Something that would normally have taken me 2 weeks minimum, if not a month. The artist has already approved many of them. No, im not trolling.

My process :

Fed a reference provided by the artist to Chatgpt, asked it to help formulate suno prompts for the reference.

Tweak that as needed, and copy / paste into suno.

Test suno's output, tweak further, repeat until satisfied.

Remaster within suno if audio quality boost is needed or for variations

extract stems wthin suno

dump stems to DAW, edit, clean up, re-arrange as needed

Replace elements of stems. Use the stems as an arrangement guide. Sometimes leaving parts of stems as layers, or chopped and screwed, using multi-fx such as infiltrator, shaperbox, etc.

Quick mix / Master, bounce, send to artist.

All said and done, in most songs +80% of suno's output gets deleted, if not all of it.

Im sure i'll get crucified for this thread, but that's ok, have at it.

 

can we have a listen to it? plz thanks

 

That doesn't make any sense, then. If all of it gets deleted, then what is the point? Even if 80% of it gets deleted, you wasted a bunch of time and energy jumping through dozens of hoops to make something you didn't end up using most of it.

On the brighter side, if the AI output is just 20% or lower, at least you can say you made something. Take that out of your text and your job is not a producer, it's just editor.

 

The point is inspiration / launch points. For a few reasons, the main one being that we're creating a genre in which im not familiar with producing. The second main reason being that im struggling with health issues which severely limit my ability to work. If i can save time by not spending two weeks figuring out the intricacies of a new genre, i see it as a win.

As far as wasting time, i see it as the opposite. I saved time, weeks worth of time. Now, we have demo's, and can dive into the writing process, followed by the recording, and final productions.

While i mostly agree with your last statement, i do feel its somewhat open to debate. Even if i used suno's direct output, 100%, it would still require the songwriting process, arrangement, tracking and producing the vocals, mixing and mastering, etc.

 

as long as the client is happy and knows this, who cares? well done on you for finding ways to save time.
luckily i dont work in this field, so i see no point in automating the creative process to get quick results, when the whole point of it is having fun and so on.

 

The mediocrity machine running at full steam. Choo-choooo

 

Then why not just listen to music in the genre you're supposed to be working on? How did people get inspiration before AI could make music for you?

I don't know what you're going through, but if you can spend time going through many hoops, editing a bunch on a DAW and supposedly making the other 80% you didn't use from the AI, why can't you just make the entire thing yourself?

Doing this saved you weeks, if not a month, but are you truly proud of it? Can you call this your work? I mean, if all you want is a quick buck for something you won't care about once it's out, then for all means, just use AI. At least that will make the process faster, I won't throw any rocks at you for this reason. I'm working on the soundtrack of a movie that I'm 100% sure will suck, but I refuse to let the computer do it for me. If anything, what I hope is that someone walks away from it thinking that at least the music was good. And of course, it's my music, every note of it made with my own intent.

 

why do you say so? on the contrary, i find this dude quite smart (like many others who are jumping on the opportunity before it's too late). if he told his client he's used some "ai" tools to make the track and then he refined everything himself, and then the client says "whatever sounds nice".. you could argue the mediocrity comes from the client, not from our friend here. even then, mediocre why? the client is not a musician, he just wants results and he wants them quick.
i've never used any of these tools nor do i have any interests, just pointing out that we're not talking about art at this point rather a job, and anything that makes a job easier is always welcome imho

 

That's exactly how I use AI for composing music: more than often it suggest good ideas which I would never have thought of. I see Suno as a copilot.

 

Agreed! Im all for saving time. Music is my only source of income, but its also one of the main sources of joy i have in life. If i can "cut corners" on this sort of work for hire stuff, it frees up my time to pursue other creative endeavors. Collaborations with friends, production on projects that resonate with me etc.

How so? Care to elaborate? Im still producing an entire album. Still sound designing on my analog synths, still playing guitar, bass, etc, still songwriting and everything else that goes into creating an album.

 

Suno is the mediocrity machine, if that wasn't clear. You guys and your clients are simply the operators. And I don't blame you for that, enjoy it while that lasts, no shame in that.

 

ok well then thank you for sharing your insight on the topic with this incredibly outlandish opinion

 

Which part would you like me to elaborate on? I’ve been playing around with Suno since v1, it’s improved a lot since then, and I can totally see why everyone’s trying to monetize it. Everyday there’s a new post on r/Suno asking how someone can make money with it. Kinda amusing, honestly.

Please share your album with us when its finished.

 

I can listen to a genre for weeks and still not understand the intricacies of producing it. The robot does understand however. I could just take one of the references provided by the artist, and stem that out, then go in and replace things, but in using Suno for this part, i can tweak the prompts, so that suno's output is more aligned with the overall artistic vision of the artist.

Regarding the health thing, having the mental and physical powers of sitting through weeks worth of analyzing a new genre, trial and error of finding chord progressions, instrumentation, etc is much different than sitting through 2 days worth of editing prompts, tweaking the output and replacing elements.

I do care about everything i work on, but at the same time, its not a project that im personally aligned with. Its more of a paycheck than anything. That being said, i do give everything i work on the best that i can, and while the album is far from done, i will be proud when it is. Helping an artist bring their vision to life is the most important thing, using whatever tools are available. If they are happy, and their voice is amplified, their vision executed, then i am happy.

Agreed, its a tool, and its a job. Would i use suno for the experimental glitch ambient dub techno stuff i make? no, because that is something that i enjoy making. Using it for a pop focused, work for hire album, im all in. There are still parts within this process that i enjoy, its not just suno prompt = done. Im still sound designing on my synths, playing instruments, creative mixing etc.

Exactly! there was another project i was working on a few months ago, where i knew the genre, but was just not feeling creative at the time. I thought why not just hit suno for some sample fodder, see if i can get some glitchy jazz vox edits. I started prompting, and it spit something out i did not expect, a chord progression i would never write, yet i loved. Extracted the synth stem, figured out the progression and tempo, and just ran with it. Zero suno output in the final track.

 

"produced" or "prompted"?. are ppl this confused now?

 

It makes way better stuff than people probably expected, and that explains most of the snark around it. If your client is a vocalist making a demo, they are not going to care because it is quite obvious to anyone that they did not create the music. No matter what they do, it is a given they are not also a drummer, guitarist, piano/keys player, and producer all of a sudden. Some people can do all that themselves, but they wouldn't be hiring you if they could.

It's always been like this in audio, 2 completely different target goals and one of them is money. We have people doing high-level stuff themselves as actually creative music. For every one of them, there is some jingle hut producer, engineer for a radio station, forensic audio specialist, or even doing music beds for voiceovers for the basket-weaving tv show on the local public access channel. Those are the kinds of work where people pay a few hundred bucks on Fiver or Upwork type sites to "mix and master" their stuff. They pay ghost writers. Those are the people who are going to get screwed by AI taking all their paying work away. Most of the people complaining about AI are not making any money off music in the first place.

 

To me, that's what's fun about music and what music is about. Seeing people treat it like a chore that must be optimized away makes me sad.

 

I still have fun creating music. Music is also my main source of income, and no matter how you frame it, its a job. I will use whatever tool is available to help optimize that part of it.

 

@xorome Have you ever used viagra? It's useful when you're drunk or high, or simply tired, but you want to give your best. See Suno as viagra for music

 

I get the sentiment, it's not for me though.